There Has Been A Change

[LaGirl]

i replied to your reply.....lol


I WILL ASK HIM! he will tell me we arent allowed to talk anymore! lol lol

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by LaGirl

i replied to your reply.....lol


I WILL ASK HIM! he will tell me we arent allowed to talk anymore! lol lol

Hahahahaha...let me KNOW what he says!!!!

[LaGirl]

Originally Posted by CareyM

Hahahahaha...let me KNOW what he says!!!!

you KNOW i will :-)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pig Pen

This is all really quite laughable. A few months ago another well know evangelist was taken to task by folks on one side of the fence for taking an offering in a way they felt was offensive.

Here, on the other side, another man is taken to task.

Seems to me that what we really have here is a major does of inconsistency and anyone who can read ought to be able to see that. If we like the guy then he was okay. If we don't like him, then, how dare him take an offering like that. JMO.

It's only inconsistant if those that took the evangelist to task are objecting to someone else being taken to task and even then the circumstances are not really the same either

Originally Posted by crakjak

Paul was not poor. He submitted all he had to fulfill his purpose, which meant he learned, "how to abound and how to be abased". Further it is a mistake to superimpose the culture and times of the NT on our context. These wanderers were being pursued by the Jewish and Roman authorities, we are not in the same context. We are in a context in which we should be more in the "abound" that Paul presented. There is a challenge and discipline required in abundance as much as in the "abased" context. A common misunderstanding of Christians is to look at everything thru a biblical cultural context and miss what God is doing in our current context.

We are called to work out our Christian lives in the context in which we live, not tailoring our lives by the cultural and historical context of the Apostles.

Boy, how simple it can be to 'make up' a doctrine out of whole cloth. And, such a task is very easy when we set the scripture aside when it 'doesn't fit our culture'. Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

How blessed you must be to have never been in a spiritually bad service one night and not the next night.

My God is powerful enough to turn things around.

Same here. And, I have been a witness of such a difference in something along the lines of a camp meeting, or a big meeting like Landmark, etc.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Man, even after Matt asked, you still will not back off a Personal Attack.

BOOMM, I'm trying to be good. You have one minister that started a thread in a public forum where he criticized and condemned another minister; not just that, but accused him with no proof.

It should have been stopped there, but it wasn't, and he went further.

Then he criticized other elders for not speaking out against this minister, insinuating they're cowards and too politically correct to do so. All the while, he admits to rubbing shoulders with the minister he's attacking behind his back and doesn't take 5 minutes to do what he's criticized others for not doing.

How can I be singled out for a personal attack with this quote and this minister's personal attack be ignored?

The quote you have from me isn't a personal attack. Matt asked if I was truly calling BS a coward. I didn't use that word. I never called him a coward. I only related excerpts of BS' own words and challenged him on them. If that's a personal attack, I guess I'm guilty as charged. But I don't believe it is.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

I read all 62 pages and saw enough bad attitudes to ban at least 4 of you. I have been asked to not be so quick to ban......

I sincerely appreciate you allowing the discussion to continue. I hope the author of this thread was one of the 4. I imagine I was probably one of them also . . .

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Perhaps the prophet could care less what it read or responded to here.

That's true. I wouldn't doubt it a bit. He's probably heard this kind of junk jealous criticism enough that it doesn't faze him. Still doesn't make it right.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Bro Strange attended a campmeeting and was unhappy in his spirit at what he perceived as his Spirit left wanting. Some others named who the preacher was and came in saying Bro Strange had a bad attitude.

I disagree with your assessment. BS also leveled some baseless accusations against another minister. Accusations that haven't yet been proven, and probably never will be. If it was as simple as what you've written it to be, I wouldn't have a problem with it . . . and I doubt the others would either.

Everyone has a right to express their feelings or opinions. He went beyond that.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Since I have been on vacation, it all seemed beneath "discussion" and I considered simply locking the thread.

Again, I appreciate the Admin and mods allowing this to continue.

[nwlife]

With all this discussion, I would dare to say this, Let Bro. Strange and whoever this MB is (I have no idea off hand who it is, especially as I am not UPC but ALJC now), let them meet and discuss it among themselves.

Otherwise, the call was sounded from both angles, now let time and God be the judge as to who was right...

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Elder OP,

The way I see it, you would have no problem blasting at MB either, as he does the "calling out" stuff. So even if he signed the AS, he is probably labeled Charismatic by most conservatives. And then again, he is running with TFT, so I know that from the conservative view he is a "Compromising Charismatic".

Bro. Matt

You are probably right.

As far as the AS, I have always said I have no problem with it and IF I was UPC would sign it in a heart beat.

Bro. Strange is the one that thinks it "damnable".

[tbpew]

Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

IMO, the instruction in 1Co 14: 29-32 (above) is a non-concept in our gatherings (the exception proves the general statement). Since 1C0 14 is loaded with instruction on how life should be conducted during those times when “… the whole church be come together into one place…”, our La District camp meeting seems to be a location where it has application.

Also IMO, this thread was a form of this happening with a system that does not have any structural tradition or expectation for it to happen.

If we have folks just declaring what they “feel” is needed we should also have ‘double’ the amount of folks judging the utterance of the prophet.

Hey, I know I am a crazy dreamer and besides, “wouldn’t those persons be JUDGING and we know the earth will open up if the anointed get TOUCHED! GAAAASSSSSPPP, Korah, you and your family go back to the pit!

Even worse than these typical rhetorical countermeasures being released, this same thread even considered a need for “civil legal involvement”. Wowsy, wow, wow, the only thing more extrabiblical then that approach would be to evoke RULE over one another in some new denominal heirarchy.


Our zeal for prophesy is wonderful. Our zeal for prophets is vile.


Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual [gifts], seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church