Tithing…Is it a command?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Were all entitled to our opinions.

Opinions are what many philosophy, vain deceits, traditions of men, are built upon. Colossians 2:9

Bible doctrine, is built on clear study of God's word. Which part did you feel was my opinion?

[good samaritan]

No where in the context of the two above verses does it define the heralder as what we term a preacher.

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things

I don't understand your point.


The gospel did and does not come to the individual by "the preacher" it come by children of God sharing the good news to friends, relatives and neighbors.

I heard the gospel from a preacher. My Grandmother over 50yrs ago heard the message from a preacher.

I'm not sure what you are meaning. If you are saying every born again believer should be a witness, I agree. If you are saying every believer is a preacher of the gospel, I disagree. I know many who probably wouldn't be effective in teaching bible studies or things that require communicating a message. Sure we all have a way to reach into people's lives, but it is not the same for everyone.

I never meant to convey a message that the preacher of the gospel was explicitly local pastors. I believe there are many preachers called of God that may not stand behind a podium in the safety and security of their local church. I really don't understand what is out of context with my former post, but I am open minded and would appreciate a little more exposition.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Not to change the subject here, but are we not taking these two passages a little out of context and meaning? No where in the context of the two above verses does it define the heralder as what we term a preacher.
The gospel did and does not come to the individual by "the preacher" it come by children of God sharing the good news to friends, relatives and neighbors.

To prove this point, Paul did not say the gifts of God, (what many call the five fold ministry) in Ephesian were given to the body to preach the good news. They are given for the equipping of the saints, for their work (the saints) of ministry, and edifying the body of Christ. The work of the ministry is to the body, not the lost. That is the work of us the saints.

That being said, the eldership of the body, is due double honor, if they are fulfilling the work in the body. Including taking part if not all of their living from the body.

Jumping back to the tithes, or giving 10% as a biblical principle for all is not found in scripture. History tells us that this was mandated when the church came out of meeting in homes and began to build buildings.
I hate to say it, but it is a Catholic tradition started in 300 to 400 ad.

Amen brother.

[Godsdrummer]

good Samaritan U]No where in the context of the two above verses does it define the heralder as what we term a preacher. [/U]

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things

I don't understand your point.

Thank you for clarifying what you did not get. Let me try to explain what I mean. when you read words like "preacher" in scripture what do you think of? Someone that has been supposedly called of God to preach. But this is not what the context of this passage describes. First of the word preacher, is translated from the Greek word that simply means to herald, or proclaim. One does not need to be ordained or have a supposed special calling to proclaim the "good news" that Christ and his kingdom has come.

The gospel did and does not come to the individual by "the preacher" it come by children of God sharing the good news to friends, relatives and neighbors.

I heard the gospel from a preacher. My Grandmother over 50yrs ago heard the message from a preacher.

Here is where I don't believe you, did a ordained preacher come to your house the proclaim the "good news" to you or did someone take you to church, and you heard a preacher proclaim from a pulpit steps you perceived to be the Gospel?
Please clarify that part, before I go on.

I'm not sure what you are meaning. If you are saying every born again believer should be a witness, I agree. If you are saying every believer is a preacher of the gospel, I disagree. I know many who probably wouldn't be effective in teaching bible studies or things that require communicating a message. Sure we all have a way to reach into people's lives, but it is not the same for everyone.

It is teaching and thinking like this that keeps people from being effective witnesses. The misreading of Ephesians 4:12, the gifting of the so called five fold ministry in the church, was for the "equipping of the saints to do a work of ministering, and for the edifying of the body of Christ".
To be a little more clear, the ministry was not given to "do the work of the ministry" The ministry was given to equip the saints to do a work of ministry.

I never meant to convey a message that the preacher of the gospel was explicitly local pastors. I believe there are many preachers called of God that may not stand behind a podium in the safety and security of their local church. I really don't understand what is out of context with my former post, but I am open minded and would appreciate a little more exposition.

It seems I have been having some trouble explaining things so they are understood. It might be because what I am saying goes contrary to our perceived thinking. In that trust me I understand. What I am saying goes against my own background and upbringing. But when I quit accepting everything I was told from the pulpit, and began to study and read passages that were used to teach things, in context of the chapters. I had to reject many things as man made traditions.
And one of those things, has been the church hierarchy we have been duped to believe.
Something to think about, and in a round about way it comes back to tithing. And the monetary structure of the Body of Christ.
How do we get a clergy set above the saints, in scripture, when scripture tells us that we are all kings and priest in the kingdom of God, and that Christ is our high priest?

There is so much more that I can say, but it would take about 97 pages at least, to explain. I have been studying this for at least 15 years. When last year I met man that begin to see scripture in the same light, and had written a thesis on his studies. When I read his thesis, he confirmed everything I had come to understand on my own. I have posted the link to this thesis here on AFF and will point you to it if you are truly interested.

[good samaritan]

True my family went to a church and that is where they heard the gospel, but it was still a preacher that declared the gospel.

Romans 10 says, "how shall they preach except they are sent" I believe there is a calling to preach the gospel. That doesn't mean only a preacher can share the gospel. A sinner that doesn't live for God could "hypothetically" share the gospel. The gospel began because of a God called preacher. Is the ministry today perfectly align with the first century church? I don't really know and I don't think we have any eyewitnesses.

Eph. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

You are leaving out a comma and I am sure you are aware of it. you probably believe it is KJV translation error. You probably say there is not comma's and periods in Greek along with capitalization. I am open minded to new ideas, but I don't want to have to change my Bible in order to confirm what I believe. I use a Strong's concordance quite a bit and also have many different translations of the Bible, but the KJV is what I base all my theology on. I am not going to retranslate the whole Bible so I will trust what it says.

[Sean]

1 Cor. 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29Are all apostles?NO are all prophets?NO are all teachers?NO are all workers of miracles?NO 30Have all the gifts of healing?NO do all speak with tongues?NO do all interpret?NO 31But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.


The "NO" was to show a point....The "tongues" part is talking about "divers kinds of tongues" in the Gifts of the Spirit, not unknown tongues of chapter 14.

[good samaritan]

I think we have gotten a little off subject from: "is tithes a command." All this is good stuff though.

[shag]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I think we have gotten a little off subject from: "is tithes a command." All this is good stuff though.

Everyone just send your 10% to me, only in cash too. Don't worry about scripture. No jubilee years either!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shag

Everyone just send your 10% to me, only in cash too. Don't worry about showing why in scripture.

Why, what do I get from it??? For me to give you 10% of my gross income for the rest of my life, I should get some guarantee or something...HUH?

[shag]

Originally Posted by Sean

Why, what do I get from it???

You're already asking too many questions, and are obviously in carnal rebellion. "Just trust me and fork it over". Not that worn out wrinkled green either, I want the new smooth crispy stuff.