Mark Johnston Drops from UPCI, Garner Next???

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I am saddened a bit. I worked with AT briefly, long ago. I really wish these guys would have stood their ground and fought back against the mean-spirited and unjust attacks they received. Someone needs to stand up to the bullies out on the Apostolic/Pentecostal playground.

... but then again, when push came to shove for me, I was silent as I got shoved around and quietly demurred to the boneheads. In the end, all that will be left of the U.P. of C. will be the boneheads. Unless, those boneheads go out and found another WWPF type thing.

I doubt anyone ever bullied AT... LOL.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

I doubt anyone ever bullied AT... LOL.

It's not the "In Your Face" type of bullying and intimidation. These "bullies" don't have the guts. Instead, it's the letter writing and campaigns of gossip and character assassination.

Do you think Chester ever had the guts to say what he wrote to KH directly to MJ's face? No. That's not how these guys operate.

That's why I think it would be very beneficial to all if we ALL stood up against these types of attacks. Make them bring it out into the open in a forum where they will be held accountable.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

The UPCI definitely lost two jewels when they lost AT and MJ. Also, AT's wife sings like an angel...so make that three jewels.

The Trouts are great people ... saw them from afar at the Global shindig

[Charnock]

The latest Forward lists 63 newly licensed ministers.

Unfortunately, it also lists 16 ministers as deceased, and 79 ministers who have written to drop their license.

THIS LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY MINISTERS WHO HAVE LET THEIR DUES LAPSE.

63 added.
95 dropped.

And this does not include those who leave quietly, by not paying their dues. Many men leave this way because they do not want their name published in the "No Longer Affiliated" section.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Charnock

The latest Forward lists 63 newly licensed ministers.

Unfortunately, it also lists 16 ministers as deceased, and 79 ministers who have written to drop their license.

THIS LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY MINISTERS WHO HAVE LET THEIR DUES LAPSE.

63 added.
95 dropped.

And this does not include those who leave quietly, by not paying their dues. Many men leave this way because they do not want their name published in the "No Longer Affiliated" section.

Is the Froward Magazine still quarterly?

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Is the Froward Magazine still quarterly?

Every other month.

Truth is, the UPC has less ministers now than it did five years ago.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Every other month.

Truth is, the UPC has less ministers now than it did five years ago.

I guess Leonard Westberg's "bowel movement" has become more like the runs.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I guess Leonard Westberg's "bowel movement" has become more like the runs.

Pel - I don't think you can hang this one on him. I believe that what he meant to happen with the org was stopped by the way NAU handled the affirmation statement.
I think this goes right back to the TV vote, which so far has appeared to be more of a symbolic vote.
This led to the loss of some far right churches, which then resulted in the entire org moving further to the right. Now you have the reaction from the more left-leaning churches who are not happy.
Sort of an interesting study in group org politics and I would like for someone to complete an in-depth look at it, with some facts and figures.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Charnock

The latest Forward lists 63 newly licensed ministers.

Unfortunately, it also lists 16 ministers as deceased, and 79 ministers who have written to drop their license.

THIS LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY MINISTERS WHO HAVE LET THEIR DUES LAPSE.

63 added.
95 dropped.
And this does not include those who leave quietly, by not paying their dues. Many men leave this way because they do not want their name published in the "No Longer Affiliated" section.

[Charnock]

I recently let my license drop.

I know of six other ministers whom I am close to in both age and ideology who have done the same.

They're sick of it.