I affirm to not speak against other ...

[DAII]

In referring directly to the TV resolution in Tampa ... then WPF Chairman, Johnny Godair, PUBLICLY slams the UPCI in March 2010 ...

"it was an opening to the gate to everything that the Devil's got ... opening the door to the carnality and worldliness ..."


start at 47 minute mark ... listen for about 10 minutes ...
http://www.fpcdurham.org/fpcds/defau...hived-sermons/

Oh, those silly affirmations, commitments and pledges ...

As a member of Worldwide Pentecostal Fellowship, stewardship of personal life includes the following commitments pledged freely and voluntarily:

I will refrain from publicly speaking or writing against any other apostolic/Pentecostal organization. However, I do reserve the right to speak out or write as God would direct me against any sin, trend or compromise which weakens the truth and righteousness of God’s Word and Kingdom.

http://www.worldwidepf.com/go/defaul...cles-of-faith/

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by DAII

In referring directly to the TV resolution in Tampa ... then WPF Chairman, Johnny Godair, PUBLICLY slams the UPCI in March 2010 ...

"it was an opening to the gate to everything that the Devil's got ... opening the door to the carnality and worldliness ..."


start at 47 minute mark ... listen for about 10 minutes ...
http://www.fpcdurham.org/fpcds/defau...hived-sermons/

Oh, those silly affirmations, commitments and pledges ...





http://www.worldwidepf.com/go/defaul...cles-of-faith/

TV is a trend? What about computers?

[A.W. Bowman]

I guess I will not be receiving an invitation to join their fellowship any time soon. /sigh/

[UnTraditional]

Originally Posted by A.W. Bowman

I guess I will not be receiving an invitation to join their fellowship any time soon. /sigh/

And that is probably a good thing.

[Digging4Truth]

Oh... I thought DAII was affirming not to speak against others.

Oh well. One can hope.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Oh... I thought DAII was affirming not to speak against others.

Oh well. One can hope.

Only if you agree not speak against the President.

[MissBrattified]

First of all, JG did not specifically name the UPCI, although it was obvious who he was talking about.

Secondly, the statement he made was against television; not really against the UPCI. He basically was stating his opinion that the resolution opened the door to the dangers of tv in general.

Whether I agree with him or not, I don't agree that he was being overly critical or even "bashing" the UPCI. I've heard hundreds of other sermons just like that one from numerous preachers; they're just preaching what they believe about sin, and kudos to them for it. Shame on any preacher who truly believes something is wrong and keeps his mouth shut about it. (More likely that those who keep their mouths shut don't really believe it's wrong....)

What I DO find interesting is the statement (and the overall point he was making): "What you preach is what you get."

I 100% agree. He's absolutely right. Men in the UPCI (and other organizations) who don't agree with the standards listed in the manual have used this tactic for YEARS. They simply don't preach any of it. The only time they *have* to mention it is when someone decides to be on the platform or maybe on staff (only at the higher levels).

JG NAILED it on that point. The quiet rebellion against extra biblical standards has been going on for years--and carried out, NOT by saints, but by pastors and assistant pastors and youth leaders who simply let people do whatever they want in regard to tv, jewelry, makeup, haircutting, etc.

So...what's to criticize here? The man is right. This is precisely what men in the UPCI have done in order to "change things from the inside." Are we upset because JG is calling a spade a spade? I'm not.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

...
I 100% agree. He's absolutely right. Men in the UPCI (and other organizations) who don't agree with the standards listed in the manual have used this tactic for YEARS. They simply don't preach any of it. The only time they *have* to mention it is when someone decides to be on the platform or maybe on staff (only at the higher levels).

JG NAILED it on that point. The quiet rebellion against extra biblical standards has been going on for years--and carried out, NOT by saints, but by pastors and assistant pastors and youth leaders who simply let people do whatever they want in regard to tv, jewelry, makeup, haircutting, etc.

So...what's to criticize here? The man is right. This is precisely what men in the UPCI have done in order to "change things from the inside." Are we upset because JG is calling a spade a spade? I'm not.

I disagree - without really agreeing with DAII on this one either.

To me, the "affirmation" cited in DAII's post seems to be entirely consistent with what JG was doing -

"However, I do reserve the right to speak out or write as God would direct me against any sin, trend or compromise which weakens the truth and righteousness of God’s Word and Kingdom."

I disagree with JG's statement and his actions at the time certainly seemed to show that he had ulterior motives as well; but I can't "call him out" on the "affirmation" that was cited.

On the other hand, I don't quite see how the "change things from the inside" kind of guys could possibly be equated with:

"... an opening to the gate to everything that the Devil's got ... opening the door to the carnality and worldliness ..." either.

Fact of the matter is, some the most carnal sermons I have ever heard have come from the two WPF Godair brothers. To this day I'm still trying to figure out how hollering "I'm 100% Country!" from the pulpit of a UPCI conference isn't as carnal as it gets.

... but then again, that's just IMHO.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I disagree - without really agreeing with DAII on this one either.

To me, the "affirmation" cited in DAII's post seems to be entirely consistent with what JG was doing -

"However, I do reserve the right to speak out or write as God would direct me against any sin, trend or compromise which weakens the truth and righteousness of God’s Word and Kingdom."

I disagree with JG's statement and his actions at the time certainly seemed to show that he had ulterior motives as well; but I can't "call him out" on the "affirmation" that was cited.

On the other hand, I don't quite see how the "change things from the inside" kind of guys could possibly be equated with:

"... an opening to the gate to everything that the Devil's got ... opening the door to the carnality and worldliness ..." either.

Fact of the matter is, some the most carnal sermons I have ever heard have come from the two WPF Godair brothers. To this day I'm still trying to figure out how hollering "I'm 100% Country!" from the pulpit of a UPCI conference isn't as carnal as it gets.

... but then again, that's just IMHO.

I didn't say I agreed with his conclusions, pel. I'm just pointing out that he's right about the tactical side of it.

And anyway, only the appearance of carnality is objectionable.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by DAII

Only if you agree not speak against the President.

I'll take that... are you up for it?

I'll agree not to speak against the President or what he says and you agree not to speak against other UPCI, WPF etc brethren or what they say.

Is that a deal?