Once you come around to seeing things my way, Timmy; I'd expect to find you on my front door step wearing a shower cap and a wet suit.
You'll amaze yourself!
Which brings up a question: does "everything" have to get wet, in a proper baptism? With a shower cap, my hair won't really be baptized! I'd show up in Heaven completely bald. As for the wet suit, I don't even want to think about it!
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
If he wears a shower cap and wet suit and doesn't get wet, is that really baptism?
Is a person considered baptized if the water has not contacted every part of their body?
Doh! You beat me to it. lol
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
So, it's a bad thing to stop doing bad things and start doing good things?
No, it's a good thing. I never intimated that it wasn't. Only that a person cannot save themselves.....even through good deeds and simply a repentance FROM.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
Please with all due respect you didn't answer the question! Can a person who has not been baptized in Jesus name go to heaven? If you believe one can go to heaven without having done so, why would you hesitate to answer with a simple yes or no?
I did answer the question. It is not a simple Yes or NO question. I didn't hesitate at all. The most important question is why didn't the person get baptized. If they reject it, that is a BAD thing. They're not surrendered and apparently don't want to follow God's word.
If they don't reject it and don't know about it, that is completely different. Or if a hypothetical is used, (they repent but die before baptism) of course they go to heaven. I believe there will be people in heaven who have not been baptized in Jesus' name.
I'll also respectfully ask you a Yes or No question:
If a person doesn't get baptized in Jesus' name are they going to hell, no questions, no exceptions?
__________________
"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
So, it's a bad thing to stop doing bad things and start doing good things?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord
No, it's a good thing. I never intimated that it wasn't. Only that a person cannot save themselves.....even through good deeds and simply a repentance FROM.
. . .
Guess I misunderstood you here:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ManOfWord
GREAT! They're SELF righteous! They've turned to themselves! So they've repented toward themselves. Somehow I don't think that will work. They can't save themselves. LOL!
"Self-righteous" is usually a pejorative, I think. And "I don't think that will work" doesn't sound like a good thing, to me.
These good deeds we are talking about: what do they look like, in God's eyes? Does He think they are good? Or does He see filthy rags?
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
"Self-righteous" is usually a pejorative, I think. And "I don't think that will work" doesn't sound like a good thing, to me.
These good deeds we are talking about: what do they look like, in God's eyes? Does He think they are good? Or does He see filthy rags?
It's simple. There is a righteousness which comes from God upon surrender/trust in Him. No amount of good deeds can produce that. However, good deeds are, well, good to do. I think God thinks that ALL good deeds are good. They just don't produce the only thing which saves us, which is HIS good work imparted to/for us as an atonement for our sinful deeds.
Filthy rags or not they still don't save us.
__________________
"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
It's simple. There is a righteousness which comes from God upon surrender/trust in Him. No amount of good deeds can produce that. However, good deeds are, well, good to do. I think God thinks that ALL good deeds are good. They just don't produce the only thing which saves us, which is HIS good work imparted to/for us as an atonement for our sinful deeds.
Filthy rags or not they still don't save us.
they are not the "source" of salvation but they do have a bearing on our salvation.
they are not the "source" of salvation but they do have a bearing on our salvation.
The Christian's good deeds flow FROM salvation not TOWARDS it. They NEVER bring us closer to salvation or produce salvation in any way. IMPOSSIBLE to do so. They can, however, be an indicator if we have surrendered our lives to Him or not.
__________________
"Those who go after the "Sauls" among us often slay the Davids among us." Gene Edwards
Can a person who has not been baptized in Jesus name go to heaven? If you believe one can go to heaven without having done so, why would you hesitate to answer with a simple yes or no?
Linear Mode
