I refuse to remove the landmarks

[Sam]

Originally Posted by pelathais

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So when we look at the history of the Apostolic Faith movement and see that history being rewritten as it is here, or being covered up and even just forgotten - how should we respond?

When some one says - The Bogomils and Albigensians were One God tongue talking people - they are removing important and very old landmarks.

When they airbrush out Sister Morgan's discrete pearl necklace from the pictures at UPC HQ - they are removing our landmarks.

When they hide the facts about the true teachings and writings of men like A.D Urshan, Howard Goss, John Dearing, Frank Ewart and so many others - they are removing the old landmarks.

Careful now, you're being too realistic.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Old landmarks?

Beard prohibition in the 60s and 70s.

Is that an old landmark?

Old is relative.

Yup. By Victorian or Puritan standards I have a feeling the author of this thread's women folks would be considered scandalously immodest. I have a feeling they probably wear skirts and dresses that expose their ankles! A part of the body that at one time was thought to cause wanton lust in men if exposed.

[Pastor Keith]

Lets talk about Landmarks of the Fathers, I posted this some time back.

Have you ever been curious how the First Church regarded standards, holiness and living in a pagan culture?

Well this is a testimony by a Disciple of Polycarp named Mathetes, who most likely wrote this between 100-140AD.

I think to be an eye opener and will likely change your perspective on how the early church related to and lived in a pagan world. I highlighted some parts that I thought would be of interest to our diverse forum.

It was titled "The Manner of Christians"

For the Christians are distinguished from other men neither by country, nor language, nor the customs which they observe. For they neither inhabit cities of their own, nor employ a peculiar form of speech, nor lead a life which is marked out by any singularity. The course of conduct which they follow has not been devised by any speculation or deliberation of inquisitive men; nor do they, like some, proclaim themselves the advocates of any merely human doctrines. But, inhabiting Greek as well as barbarian cities, according as the lot of each of them has determined, and following the customs of the natives in respect to clothing, food, and the rest of their ordinary conduct, they display to us their wonderful and confessedly striking [281] method of life. They dwell in their own countries, but simply as sojourners. As citizens, they share in all things with others, and yet endure all things as if foreigners. Every foreign land is to them as their native country, and every land of their birth as a land of strangers. They marry, as do all [others]; they beget children; but they do not destroy their offspring. [282] They have a common table, but not a common bed. [283] They are in the flesh, but they do not live after the flesh. [284] They pass their days on earth, but they are citizens of heaven. [285] They obey the prescribed laws, and at the same time surpass the laws by their lives. They love all men, and are persecuted by all. They are unknown and condemned; they are put to death, and restored to life. [286] They are poor, yet make many rich; [287] they are in lack of all things, and yet abound in all; they are dishonoured, and yet in their very dishonour are glorified. They are evil spoken of, and yet are justified; they are reviled, and bless; [288] they are insulted, and repay the insult with honour; they do good, yet are punished as evil-doers. When punished, they rejoice as if quickened into life; they are assailed by the Jews as foreigners, and are persecuted by the Greeks; yet those who hate them are unable to assign any reason for their hatred.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by CC1

Yup. By Victorian or Puritan standards I have a feeling the author of this thread's women folks would be considered scandalously immodest. I have a feeling they probably wear skirts and dresses that expose their ankles! A part of the body that at one time was thought to cause wanton lust in men if exposed.

don't think they've seen my ankles......they'd never have had that problemo

[CC1]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

don't think they've seen my ankles......they'd never have had that problemo

Are we talking "cankles"?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by YEPhesMycousin

Sir, DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THAT MY TESTIMONY IS UNTRUE!!!!!!!!! I knew from watching this forum that if I shared a personal testimony someone would try to say that what I experienced didn't really happen.

IF you want to state what else you wrote, fine. Leave my testimony out of it.

If you read my post I said something very important....

Oh well...I'm sure you get the picture. I could be wrong. Just sharing some thoughts.

I was just sharing my thoughts. Please don't be so defensive. If a testimony is true, it will stand regardless of my thoughts or questions.

Here's my testimony... we attended a church that believed in uncut hair having anointing and my wife didn't cut her hair for 12 years. After much study and prayer she began to feel like it was dangerously close to witchcraft and like was distracting her from placing her faith in Christ. She became increasingly disturbed because of this and it was like she was wearing her religion on her sleeve. Not to mention most just viewed her as being part of a cult and it broke her heart how every witness she shared would suddenly move from discussing Jesus to discussing her "standards". It was a difficult realization for her.

Just sharing a personal testimony from my family.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by bhoutreach

That is why I started this thread. I am new to this forum and I know that I will not make any friends with this thread, but I wanted to see how liberal people here were. I have my answer.

Give us some time before you draw your conclusions.
Some of us have been hit so many times in the same place that we are very sore there and any sudden movement our way causes us to wince involuntarily and throw up our guard before we see just where you are reaching.

[TalkLady]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I like to see new people too but this guy has an agenda. He doesn't want honest discussion on different topics but to "find out" what type of people post on this forum. He comes with a judgemental, holier than thou attitude, imo. None of us have asked him to remove his landmarks. Let him have his landmarks but don't let him impose his landmarks on others.

I suggest he read Romans 14 and then let's discuss.

Whatever reason he or anyone has for coming here, I think we should welcome newcomers. If anyone gets too offensive or abrasive, then let the admins deal with that person.

That song has helped me a lot. ...If someone starts showing me what some might term a "bad (judgmental) spirit," I like to sing it to myself!!

I'll tell you the kind of people who post here....Most likely people just like the ones who post on Everyone's Apostolic. Everyone's in need of Jesus Christ and Nothing without Him. The older I get, the more I realize it's more about Him and less about me.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by bhoutreach

That is why I started this thread. I am new to this forum and I know that I will not make any friends with this thread, but I wanted to see how liberal people here were. I have my answer.

All of us here have convictions and "standards" by which we live.
We do not all have the same convictions and "standards."
We have no right to judge you by our "standards" and we have no right to try to impose our "standards" upon you.
Neither do you have any right to judge us by your "standards" nor to impose your "standards" upon us.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by bhoutreach View Post
That is why I started this thread. I am new to this forum and I know that I will not make any friends with this thread, but I wanted to see how liberal people here were. I have my answer.

Whats wrong making some friends first?

How about a few cheerful "hellos!"?