Is the Holiness Movement Dead?

[Evang.Benincasa]

I went by the Pensecola Brownsville Assembly of God, and I thought that place was spooky. Brother Billy Adams' church is a shouting group, and their prayer room is packed with lively praying people before service.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Neck

They are shaking the guilt for having watched TV off them....

No television, they save that for the liberals who think watching the tube is balance.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Now I'm not one to say that the number of people justify a movement, or else, I'd be a Catholic, however, as for the "Conservative Holiness Movement", if we're defining that as Wesleyan-Arminian and trinitarian, then yes, that movement is dead. I used to post on a message board called myholiness.com (it was truly their holiness they were focused on), and the sense I got of this group (which was fairly diverse geographically), it was dead. Allegheny Methodists, Pilgrim Holiness (Midwest and New York Conferences), Bible Methodists, Pilgrim Nazarenes, Nazarenes and independent holiness people made up a lot of the people on this board. I knew, and made the acquiantance, of an Allegheny Methodist girl who went to the church in Tioga, LA, right by the Pentecostals of Alexandria, and the Allegheny church had only about 20 members, and they were always confused with Pentecostals. The Pilgrim Holiness Church (New York Conference) in the town by my house has about a dozen members, and has been there for nearly 75 years now. The Free Methodist denomination, which I was apart of, has practically left the Conservative Holiness Movement. And Hobe Sound Bible College and God's Bible School, the two main holiness colleges are small and have not gone very far.
The holiness movement was popular when their styles and fashions were closer to the world and time they were living in. As the Pentecostals came on the scene, the Holiness movement sort of lost it's distinctiveness. The Conservative Holiness Movement's difference with most of Oneness Pentecost, these days, is that the CHM follows the dress standards a bit more strictly, makes sure it stressed the long-sleeve standard, and they don't speak in tongues.
There is also a holiness movement within the Conservative Holiness Movement, known as the Evening Light Movement started by Daniel Sydney Warner, around 1880, and from the onset of that movement there have been three branches that I have looked into, the Church of GOD (Anderson), COG (Guthrie) and COG (Restoration). They're a very interesting subset, where Anderson started getting liberal, so Guthrie was a reaction to that, and then a disgruntled member of Guthrie, around 1980, got disgruntled with the "compromise" he saw, and he started the "Restoration", and they are among the most conservative groups I have ever seen, and they mainly convert Anabaptists to their group. Even among this, their growth and conservsions are from other groups, not from the "world." Their brand of holiness is amoung the most legalistic I've seen.
There are still pockets of the Conservative Holiness Movement worth looking into, but it's sort of irrelevant and dead in the grand scheme of religious study, unless one were studying American religions, and even then, the "Conservative Holiness Movement" has a start and end date.

-Bro. Alex

[EA]

Bump

[Aquila]

I think the term "Holiness Movement" is misnomer. It's really not so much focused on "holiness" as it is dress codes. It should be called the Conservative Movement. Holiness isn't about looking weird or different. Holiness is about being Christlike in behavior. It's about treating people different. The way you dress doesn't impress sinners. The way you treat others (other Christians, the broken, the hurting, the poor, the sinful, your enemies, etc.), now that is what catches their eyes.

That's holiness.

[Aquila]

Sometimes I like to take the Ten Commandments and consider their positive implications:

I
Thou shalt have one God.
II
Thou shalt know him personally.
III
Thou shalt reverence the name of the LORD.
IV
Remember the Rest.
V
Honor thy father and thy mother.
VI
Thou shalt live and let live.
VII
Thou shalt be faithful.
VIII
Thou shalt enjoy what is yours.
IX
Thou shalt be honest.
X
Thou shalt be thankful.

Now that's holiness.

[deadeye]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think the holiness movement as described is dead. However, there will always be folks trying to add to the word of God.

We see a lot of the same confusion of the holiness movement in the charismatic and pentecostal movements. Folks are always trying to find a newer and easier way to live for God. We will constantly see these fads and trends happen as long as people don't have a strong understanding and hunger for the word of God.

There is a book by Dr. Harry Ironside, Holiness: The False and the True that describes his conversion from the holiness movement and the confusion that he suffered because of the teachings of the movement.

Here is a link to some of his writings.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/D...e/holiness.htm

He also refered to the
Tongues Movement" as disgusting.......I would hardly place my trust in the writings of a man that considers the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and the evidence as disgusting.

[Bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

www.cresourcei.org/hmovement.html - 49k

Written by Keith Drury

"We need to admit to each other that the holiness movement is dead. We have never had a funeral. And we still have the body upstairs in bed. In fact, we still keep it dressed up and still even talk about the movement as if it were alive. But the holiness movement—as a movement—is dead. Yes, I recognize that there are many wonderful holiness people around. And people are still getting entirely sanctified here and there. But as a movement, I think we need to admit we are dead. The sooner we admit it, the better off we’ll be.

We have a holiness heritage. We have holiness denominations. We have holiness organizations. We have holiness doctrines. We even have holiness colleges, but we no longer have a holiness movement. I, for one, lament the death of the holiness movement. But pretending we are alive as a movement will not make it so. In fact, it may be the greatest barrier to the emergence of a new holiness movement."

Keith Drury is a professor at a Wesleyan University. The movement he is talking about, other than by antecedent has nothing to do with oneness pentecostalism.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I have never walked into a holiness Apostolic church and it was dead.
When they get that Hammod bumping, those saints take off running and shouting.

This is sad.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

This is sad.

Uh, I guess I need enlightenment now. Why is this sad?

Granny dying, that is sad.
Pet dying, that is sad,

Holiness people worshipping God, SAD?

Explain please?