PEAK first WPF Youth Conference - Page 6

Sister Alvear · #51 08-23-2008, 10:16 PM

sad isn´t it?

TCSQ · #52 08-24-2008, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew

The problem is that very few people had good things to say about PEAK without taking a direct shot at other people of God. It never ceases to amaze me that when people go hard in either direction (Right or Left), they claim a new found Spirituality and Enlightenment, but for the life of me I do have a hard time seeing the fruits of that in their conversation.
I am a member of a Sports Forum whose members seem to have more Christ-like qualities.

With all due respect, I went back over all the posts on this thread and can't for the life of me find anyone taking pot shots at other people of God, although some do indeed express their opposition to what they may see as the substitution of technological special effects for a genuine move of the Holy Ghost. No one seems to have taken their reservations or opposition seriously only attempting to refute those feelings by insult and dismissal.

I saw NO claims of "NEW FOUND" spiritual enlightenment, rather the expression of frustration at what ALL of us must see as a problem that faces each stage of our generational walk with God and that being of course the fearful desire that the NEXT generation will not receive a "relgion" as much as they receive a RELATIONSHIP with God.

As I said earlier the fear in back of all of this has NOTHING to do with lights or fog but rather with those special effects OFTENTIMES masking the absence of a genuine move of God. And to quote Justice Potter Stewart, even though "I may not be able to DEFINE that ...I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT!"

Overall the whining I see comes from people like Tv1 who has from the beginning betrayed some kind of minor obsession with taking every opportunity they have to denigrate the men who formed the WPF. And believe me they did not form it ALONE. Nor did they form it overnight.
But hundreds if not thousands of Apostolic Men and Women have for quite some time felt very uncomfortable with the trends and direction that they saw THEIR organization following and in several YEARS of behind the scenes conversations and meetings have pushed for and hoped for an alternative to that.

If someone wants to continue down that road, certainly no one will stop them, but this constant complaining about "whining" is coming from one of the biggest whiners out there. (At least when it comes to the WPF)

But to return to the theme of THIS thread I see NO ONE pointing at anything other than the aforementioned distaste (at least in their mouth) for what they see as the substitution of technology for an old fashioned move of the Holy Ghost.

And instead of jumping on them a wise man would take a moment and ask them WHY DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT IS LACKING?

tv1a · #53 08-24-2008, 06:21 AM

The fist salvo was fired when a post said it all was done without smoke and lights. The cheap shot was fired by an embittered wpf'er.

As you so eloquently put in your post this wpf was in formation for years. The wpf was established because enough people in the upci said enough with the useless unscriptural idolatry. When a group of leaders deliberately spread misinformation then start their organization because the misinformation was proved wrong, it's not God ordained organization.

Legalists have been whining for years. Legalists have worshipped the brazen serpant of man made tradition. Legalism is demonic force. Read Galatians. Again I ask why does someone want that organization founded on false pretense. Smoke or no smoke.

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Originally Posted by TCSQ

With all due respect, I went back over all the posts on this thread and can't for the life of me find anyone taking pot shots at other people of God, although some do indeed express their opposition to what they may see as the substitution of technological special effects for a genuine move of the Holy Ghost. No one seems to have taken their reservations or opposition seriously only attempting to refute those feelings by insult and dismissal.

I saw NO claims of "NEW FOUND" spiritual enlightenment, rather the expression of frustration at what ALL of us must see as a problem that faces each stage of our generational walk with God and that being of course the fearful desire that the NEXT generation will not receive a "relgion" as much as they receive a RELATIONSHIP with God.

As I said earlier the fear in back of all of this has NOTHING to do with lights or fog but rather with those special effects OFTENTIMES masking the absence of a genuine move of God. And to quote Justice Potter Stewart, even though "I may not be able to DEFINE that ...I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT!"

Overall the whining I see comes from people like Tv1 who has from the beginning betrayed some kind of minor obsession with taking every opportunity they have to denigrate the men who formed the WPF. And believe me they did not form it ALONE. Nor did they form it overnight.
But hundreds if not thousands of Apostolic Men and Women have for quite some time felt very uncomfortable with the trends and direction that they saw THEIR organization following and in several YEARS of behind the scenes conversations and meetings have pushed for and hoped for an alternative to that.

If someone wants to continue down that road, certainly no one will stop them, but this constant complaining about "whining" is coming from one of the biggest whiners out there. (At least when it comes to the WPF)

But to return to the theme of THIS thread I see NO ONE pointing at anything other than the aforementioned distaste (at least in their mouth) for what they see as the substitution of technology for an old fashioned move of the Holy Ghost.

And instead of jumping on them a wise man would take a moment and ask them WHY DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT IS LACKING?

TCSQ · #54 08-24-2008, 08:10 AM

[QUOTE=tv1a;573807]The fist salvo was fired when a post said it all was done without smoke and lights. The cheap shot was fired by an embittered wpf'er.

Gee I am looking here and am kind of at a loss to find that post. What is the "IT" you are referring to?

Tim Rutledge · #55 08-24-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

The fist salvo was fired when a post said it all was done without smoke and lights. The cheap shot was fired by an embittered wpf'er.

Gee I am looking here and am kind of at a loss to find that post. What is the "IT" you are referring to?

TCSQ,
I've come to the conclusion that I'm using the ignore option more often. Talk about embitterment.. the upc can't stand that the WPF is thriving. Honestly, of course, I hope the same for the upci. The upc would, and is, a relatively good stepping stone onto the WPF.

TCSQ · #56 08-24-2008, 11:05 AM

[QUOTE=Tim Rutledge;573872][QUOTE=TCSQ;573841]

TCSQ,
Talk about embitterment.. the upc can't stand that the WPF is thriving.

THAT is becoming more and more evident given the tenor of much of what appears on this board by those who are not in that group.

I dont see any where near that kind of hate coming from the WPF crowd on this board to the UPC. Maybe its just the squeaky wheels though, they need to be greased or something. I am sure there are lots of people who do NOT belong to the WPF who dont take every opportunity they can to inmpugn its ledership, or its members.

Michael Phelps · #57 08-24-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TCSQ

TCSQ,
Talk about embitterment.. the upc can't stand that the WPF is thriving.

THAT is becoming more and more evident given the tenor of much of what appears on this board by those who are not in that group.

I dont see any where near that kind of hate coming from the WPF crowd on this board to the UPC. Maybe its just the squeaky wheels though, they need to be greased or something. I am sure there are lots of people who do NOT belong to the WPF who dont take every opportunity they can to inmpugn its ledership, or its members.

Uh, just go up a few posts and read WholeHearted's comments about the UPC.

Trust me, it works both ways, I"m quite sure.

Now, I have no dog in this fight, because I'm neither UPC or WPF. However, I kind of thought this thread had turned into a "Smoke machines and lights vs. NO smoke machines and lights" thread?

I must have missed the turn it took into the UPC vs. WPF abyss.

Tim Rutledge · #58 08-24-2008, 11:50 AM

[QUOTE=Michael Phelps;573894][QUOTE=TCSQ;573891]

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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

Uh, just go up a few posts and read WholeHearted's comments about the UPC.

Trust me, it works both ways, I"m quite sure.

Now, I have no dog in this fight, because I'm neither UPC or WPF. However, I kind of thought this thread had turned into a "Smoke machines and lights vs. NO smoke machines and lights" thread?

I must have missed the turn it took into the UPC vs. WPF abyss.

Uh,

nevermind.