Why I Am A Futurist - Page 59

Sean · #**581** 03-04-2015, 07:51 PM

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What about this...

Hebrews 3
15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.

17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief......

4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them(Jews of Moses' day) but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

It clearly says the gospel was preached unto the Jews during Moses time. Do you reject this?

Mike, stare at this passage a long while and think....Think Mike, Think.

Sean · #**582** 03-04-2015, 07:57 PM

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Here is another Lie that preterists tell folks....

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Hey bro. I just finished reading Adam Clarks' commentary on a preterist website....You better hope I dont start tearing into it on this thread and expose this ridiculous concept.
The man even dared to replace Jesus with the Roman armies in the coming of Christ passage!...(as the lightning comes from east to the west)..... Heres what the Bible says about the Coming of Jesus...

Matthew 24:27King James Version (KJV)

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus is coming like lightning!

The preterist says the Roman armies are coming like lightning....

Verse 27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west— It is worthy of remark that our Lord, in the most particular manner, points out the very march of the Roman army: they entered into Judea on the EAST, and carried on their conquest WESTWARD, as if not only the extensiveness of the ruin, but the very route which the army would take, were intended in the comparison of the lightning issuing from the east, and shining to the west.....

http://www.preteristarchive.com/index.html

Unbelievable....the preterists have the nerve to replace Jesus our lord coming in the passage with the Roman armies coming!

.He SHUUUURE is saying that the Roman Armies are replacing Jesus here!!!

mfblume · #**583** 03-04-2015, 10:10 PM

Why are you asking other questions after you read my questions instead of answering mine? Communication requires step by step responses to each other and not refusing to answer only to ask something else.

Esaias · #**584** 03-05-2015, 01:35 AM

Brother Blume, can you please demonstrate that Adam and Eve had immortality independently of tree of life?

Sean · #**585** 03-05-2015, 07:13 AM

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It was necessary to be in the garden of Eden for Adam and Eve to have for immortality and it will be necessary for the saved of earth in the New Earth. Quote Sean...

No, they had immortality without eating anything from the tree. Sin brought death, not refraining from the tree. Quote MF Blume.

Gen. 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

I wonder, why the Cherubims with the swords?

Good question Esaias!

shazeep · #**586** 03-05-2015, 07:32 AM

ha ya, another one that keeps me awake sometimes...if they knew about both trees, why not eat the fruit of the tree of life, you gotta wonder?

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.He SHUUUURE is saying that the Roman Armies are replacing Jesus here!!!

this is not true, Sean. "As if...were intended" is obviously a comparison, and not a replacement.

Sean · #**587** 03-05-2015, 07:38 AM

You wish it wasnt suggested as a "symbolic" replacement. It was found on a preterist site.

Verse 27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west— It is worthy of remark that our Lord, in the most particular manner, points out the very march of the Roman army: they entered into Judea on the EAST, and carried on their conquest WESTWARD, as if not only the extensiveness of the ruin, but the very route which the army would take, were intended in the comparison of the lightning issuing from the east, and shining to the west.....

http://www.preteristarchive.com/index.html

shazeep · #**588** 03-05-2015, 07:50 AM

um, what? that is exactly what i am saying--it is suggested, not demanded. "Replacement" in this context is just semantics. "As if...were intended" leaves it open for the reader; meaning one does not have to take it as Gospel or anything. I for one fond it pretty cogent.

mfblume · #**589** 03-05-2015, 08:22 AM

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Brother Blume, can you please demonstrate that Adam and Eve had immortality independently of tree of life?

Romans 5:12 says death came by sin. That means the fruit had the remedy for sin and death before they sinned. That's why the life instead of death is only mentioned after they sinned.

shazeep · #**590** 03-05-2015, 08:42 AM

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Romans 5:12 says death came by sin. That means the fruit had the remedy for sin and death before they sinned. That's why the life instead of death is only mentioned after they sinned.

hmm, funny to me you say "before" rather than "after." The fruit was the remedy for sin and death after they sinned, wasn't it?