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Old 07-02-2013, 08:23 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming

Watching HLN right now and they are talking about GZ not having life threatening injuries, therefore questioning his decision to use deadly force.

Exactly at what point is someone supposed to decide when to use deadly force? I mean, if someone is stabbing you in the arm, do you wait until they stab you in the chest to kill them? It seems that's what this panel is saying...Nancy Grace included.

I'm not sure why they think deadly force shouldn't have been used because GZ injuries weren't life threatening. We all know hindsight is 20/20 and many of us have made rash decisions only to think about it later and believe we weren't using the best judgement but at the time, we believed we were.

I'm sure GZ wishes that he hadn't killed TM, but at the time, he believed he was doing what he thought was best to keep himself from being killed, especially if it's true that TM told him he was going to die.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:33 PM
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Watching HLN right now and they are talking about GZ not having life threatening injuries, therefore questioning his decision to use deadly force.

Exactly at what point is someone supposed to decide when to use deadly force? I mean, if someone is stabbing you in the arm, do you wait until they stab you in the chest to kill them? It seems that's what this panel is saying...Nancy Grace included.

I'm not sure why they think deadly force shouldn't have been used because GZ injuries weren't life threatening. We all know hindsight is 20/20 and many of us have made rash decisions only to think about it later and believe we weren't using the best judgement but at the time, we believed we were.

I'm sure GZ wishes that he hadn't killed TM, but at the time, he believed he was doing what he thought was best to keep himself from being killed, especially if it's true that TM told him he was going to die.
When you are already at the point of having life threatening injuries you may not even be coherent and able to draw a weapon

Are we supposed to sit there and rationally reason "Hmm, im not quite at that point of having life threatening injuries yet so I will wait for him to beat me some more"

BTW that's all irrelevant really since it seems TM may have tried to draw GZs weapon
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:37 PM
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I can garentee you that if the Pros go into GZ school records then the Defense will open up TM records and they have a lot on TM
I heard they are going to get into GZ's college records tomorrow. Wonder how much of TM's background they will allow?
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:38 PM
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I can't stand Nancy Grace. Never listen to that woman.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:48 PM
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Liberal ideology does not allow for use of force except in extreme conditions. Conditions like if they have to use force - well their body guards anyway... They will always arm chair quarterback anyone who does. This should not be a surprise as the liberals including the Obama White House have made it nearly impossible for our troops in a war zone to defend themselves.

For example:
The rules of engagement (ROEs) governing a U.S. soldier's response to enemy fighters in Afghanistan has made that country more dangerous for U.S. soldiers under the Obama administration.
I was recently able to discuss this with members of a Cavalry Scout Platoon that was on the ground near Camp Wright in Kunar Province, Afghanistan.

They gave me numerous examples of how the ROEs by which they must abide not only make their jobs harder, but put their lives at increased and unnecessary risk:

During the Bush administration, we were able to engage terrorists planting IEDs with greater ease. Now, if we see two guys on the side of the road and it looks like they're planting an IED, we are told to wait -- because they might be farmers.
It's like our goal is to kill them with kindness. We're going to win Afghans over with money, clinics, roads, etc., instead of winning their confidence by killing the Taliban or the Hezb-i-Islami Gulbuddin (HIG).
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...In-Afgahnistan

Liberals hate the 2nd amendment because it gives citizens the right to defend themselves. What happened during Katrina should be a wake up call. The law abiding citizens were disarmed and the criminals were given free reign because no one would or could stop them. The liberals pay lip service to the second amendment and the right of self defense but their actions always speak louder than their words.

The GZ affair is a small microcosm of the whole liberal mindset. Only the state should be allowed to "defend" people. Citizens should not have that right. Yet, the Justices have already ruled that the Police have no duty to protect the citizenry:

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
By LINDA GREENHOUSE
Published: June 28, 2005

WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po...otus.html?_r=0


So here we are. A citizen defends himself and the liberal courts are trying to crucify him to the point of misleading (lying) about the event so an arrest warrant can be issued. As you said hindsight is 20/20 and this is a tragedy.

Based upon my understanding of the events, which could be wrong and I reserve the right to change my mind in light of evidence heretofore unknown to me, GZ should never have been arrested. The govt. cowered to unreasonable mobs. I have not heard of any arrest warrant being sent out to those who are inciting to violence including the New Black Panther Party which is full of racists. If/when something bad happens to GZ or there are riots then those racists hate mongering pimps are to blame.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:54 PM
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Re: George Zimmerman Trial Live Streaming

A little levity on the subject:

How do you tell the difference between Liberals, Conservatives and Southerners?

Pose the following question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, perhaps yelling allahu akbar, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

LIBERAL ANSWER:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
Does the man look poor or oppressed?
Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
Could we run away?
What does my wife think?
What about the kids, what is their opinion?
Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?
Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into it?
Would counseling help the victim, err perpetrator?
Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
Should I call 9-1-1?
Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
This is all so confusing!
I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.

CONSERVATIVE ANSWER:
BANG!

SOUTHERNER'S ANSWER:
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click ... (sounds of reloading).
Wife: Hun, he looks like he's still moving, whadda y'all kids think?
Son: Mama's right Daddy, I saw it, too.
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click.
Daughter: Nice group, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?


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Old 07-02-2013, 08:55 PM
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:10 PM
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Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint
OCALA, Fla., July 2, 2013

OCALA, Fla., July 2, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey has been indicted by a citizens' grand jury, convening in Ocala, Florida, over the alleged falsification of the arrest warrant and complaint that lead to George Zimmerman being charged with the second degree murder of African-American teenager Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida.

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/p.../07/02/CL41488
Does this carry any real legal weight at all?

If so, could the Def get the Judge to dismiss the charges and drop this sham trial?
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:29 PM
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Does this carry any real legal weight at all?

If so, could the Def get the Judge to dismiss the charges and drop this sham trial?
Apparently not much...


http://www.ocala.com/article/2013052...9622?p=1&tc=pg
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Old 07-02-2013, 10:57 PM
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Does this carry any real legal weight at all?

If so, could the Def get the Judge to dismiss the charges and drop this sham trial?
It is really a symbolic move, but it is very good to draw attention to the information. I give them kudos!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_grand_jury
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