The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes I also disagree that the moon is made out of green cheese. I don't go for the new paradigm of single mothers. I don't think lesbians make great mothers. I don't think a "couple" can be two homosexuals. I am a traditional sort Newman and I think the best paradigm for a good family is a husband and wife working together.

I know many mothers in church whose families are not. In fact it is more likely that if the father goes the rest of the family will

What patterns and yes it sure seems some of the posts lately are not just out to help women but rather are biased against men

Men usually end up cooking for themselves nowadays now that both are working, or the single mother decides the man is disposable.

I wasn't the first one to mention discrimination, nor was I the one that suggested Adam wasn't worth the dirt he was made from so Satan attacks the women nor was I the one that suggested families only need a woman not a man. What garbage lol

If you read my posts I say they need BOTH. Im balanced. I said both can be abused and persecuted, not just the woman. I said both are the targets of Satan. Balanced...you see I don't have an agenda to promote males above women nor do I oppose women being treated fairly. I do oppose anything that denigrates males which is often the case when these kinds of discussions come up. Typically people who try to take the side you seem to be on don't know how to have balance. They don't see a middle ground. They are liberals. The people who will take the opposite side and promote the male are probably conservatives more than likely.

The people who realize it's just a trick of Satan to DIVIDE us to take those extreme sides are moderates and we sit here in the middle just shaking our heads at the both of ya.

Prax- We are only exploring the issues and looking at many sides of the equation.

1. Case in point... statistics show that there may be alot of mothers rocking cradles, but our prison population is FULL of men who did not have regular contact with or know their father.

So maybe, all the cradle rocking in the world is in vain if dad or someone standing in as a father figure isn't around.

2. My experience is different. I have seen more moms raise kids alone in church than single dads; although some try.

But again, we have an interesting paradox. There may be more single moms in the church trying to raise their kids alone; but when dads are there; so is mom. So who's influence is reaching further?

So you see Prax; there is hope for this thread yet. We just have to dig a little deeper to draw the answers out.

[Steve Epley]

Paul said Timothy's faith began in his grandMOTHER and then in his MOTHER.
The wonderful godly sainted ladies of Pentecost have raised preachers and churches and many times with an unsaved husband or a single mom. The power of the touch of a praying mother or wife cannot be overestimated.
Yet they have different but glorious roles and in these roles they have their own God-given distinctions. That is why Paul said the man is not without the woman and the woman is not without the man in the Lord. The roles are distinct such as the 5-fold ministry which are filled by men and the mighty but different roles filled by women. The greatest prayer warriors I have known were women. The greatest altar workers I have known were women. Some of the greatest services I have been in a woman many times had the key to that service. Soul winners and sensitive the the operation of the Spirit. What would Pentecost be today without the godly women in it's heritage? They were not fussing over outward standards either.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Paul said Timothy's faith began in his grandMOTHER and then in his MOTHER.
The wonderful godly sainted ladies of Pentecost have raised preachers and churches and many times with an unsaved husband or a single mom. The power of the touch of a praying mother or wife cannot be overestimated.
Yet they have different but glorious roles and in these roles they have their own God-given distinctions. That is why Paul said the man is not without the woman and the woman is not without the man in the Lord. The roles are distinct such as the 5-fold ministry which are filled by men and the mighty but different roles filled by women. The greatest prayer warriors I have known were women. The greatest altar workers I have known were women. Some of the greatest services I have been in a woman many times had the key to that service. Soul winners and sensitive the the operation of the Spirit. What would Pentecost be today without the godly women in it's heritage? They were not fussing over outward standards either.

The post was good until the last line. And Bro., women were fussing, you just aren't old enough to have known that.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. Case in point... statistics show that there may be alot of mothers rocking cradles, but our prison population is FULL of men who did not have regular contact with or know their father.

So maybe, all the cradle rocking in the world is in vain if dad or someone standing in as a father figure isn't around.

Exactly. It takes two.

2. My experience is different. I have seen more moms raise kids alone in church than single dads; although some try.

Right...but you asked about the families coming to the Lord...not what was mostly in church. Statistics I have seen show that when the man goes the rest of the family will go but if it's just the mother it's less likely the rest of the family will go...it proves nothing really in the battle of the sexes. Satan desires to sift as wheat either and divide the family

But again, we have an interesting paradox. There may be more single moms in the church trying to raise their kids alone; but when dads are there; so is mom. So who's influence is reaching further?

I think they both do. They have different roles

So you see Prax; there is hope for this thread yet. We just have to dig a little deeper to draw the answers out.

It would not have happened with out me prodding you of course

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Prax.......

If you've read through the thread you'll see some balance.

Yes but I was not talking about the seal with the ball on his nose when I said balance

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

It would appear that our world is confused and tolerance goes too far as well as prejudice and discrimination. American culture is each man for himself and pay no attention who you step on in the process. This is the spirit of the age..the spirit of the anti-christ.

There is more balance than you think on this forum. If people would stop trying to read so much into thoughtless posts. We all see through a glass darkly but one day...

lol. yes stop reading too much into the thoughtless posts

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Barb

Prax, you need to take a deep breath here...I am not denegrating men...not at all. Just answering the girl's questions and giving an opinion. LOL!!

I didn't say you were denegrating men

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

You guys are missing the point of the thread. We are not discussing God's persecution of women, the thread stated that Jesus treated women equally. I am discussing Satan's attempt to destroy women. Remember Satan is the culprit, not people. God loves women. If women are being persecuted in the church, it is not GODLY!!!

I think that satan's attempt to destroy women is less in the so-called 'persecution' of women in or by the church (which is the exception and not the rule) but more in the movement of secular feminism into the church. THAT is ungodly.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Rachel

I think that satan's attempt to destroy women is less in the so-called 'persecution' of women in or by the church (which is the exception and not the rule) but more in the movement of secular feminism into the church. THAT is ungodly.

That is the truth.

Originally Posted by Rachel

I think that satan's attempt to destroy women is less in the so-called 'persecution' of women in or by the church (which is the exception and not the rule) but more in the movement of secular feminism into the church. THAT is ungodly.

Allright, I decided to step back in. You guys are just now exploring the meaning of the thread. This type of dialogue is meaningful and productive.

To answer you Rachel, the reason the church has less persecution against women is because they have been redeemed and the Spirit of Christ works against destruction.

Satan comes to kill, still and destroy, but Christ came to give life.

Any persecution is unfortunate, but yet a reality. In or out of the church. Historically speaking I believe history does reveal the importance of a Godly or Ungodly woman in the home.

Some of the greatest preachers throughout history give credit to their Godly mothers.


I know I would not be the man I am today without my Godly mother who is 81
years old. My father was the pastor growing up and imparted many wonderful truths, but it was my mother that nurtured me and gave me examples of endurance, constraint and unconditional love.

This paradigm may be because the mother spends more time with the children? This may be due in part simply to the male attachement to the opposite gender?
Sounds like another good thread.

Let's consider an excerpt from Hitler's biography:

[I]Adolf Hitler was born on 20th April, 1889, in the small Austrian town of Braunau near the German border. His father Alois Hitler, the illegitimate son of a housemaid, ...Klara Hitler was Alois' third wife. Alois had two children from his previous marriages. They had 5 children but only Adolf and Paula survived. Alois was a strict father and beat his son if he did not do as he was told.

Hitler's mother, Klara, was Alois's third wife: She was also the young girl who took care of Alois' children while his second wife lay dying.

Hitler was devoted to his mother and developed a hatred for his father, whom he later portrayed as a sadistic tyrant,...Adolf lacked nothing, especially maternal affection from Klara Hitler who was a very sweet person. Klara who lost three of her kids before Adolf's birth will always feed him with a devouring affection and great care and will try to make up for her husband's severity.

Without attempting to dissect Hitler's dysfunctional family and the complexities that drove him to his madness, we see that Hitler's mother did show him devotion and affection to counter balance his father's meanness and abuse. However, his father had three wives and if he abused the children, he also abused the mother of those children. Just the simple fact of seeing your children abused at the hand of a man 23 years older is abuse enough.

My point is this; persecution has many faces. Some cleary seen and others not so clearly seen. My grandmother was a Godly, but mean woman. Why? She had an abusive father. Even though she was redeemed, the remnants of that abuse and persecution remained in her spirit. Her father was so mean, he tried to drown her.

She died in her 90's and until her mind left with dimentia, she remembered her childhood as if it was yesterday. Haunting images of abuse remained with her all her life.

I recently met a woman who is 74 years old, raised in the church by an abusive father/pastor who is still haunted by her fathers aggression against her, he beat her relentlessly.

This thread is not about male bashing it's about whether or not Satan has plotted specifically and targeted women for destruction more than others; simply because all life comes from her and through her.

Eply said it and I believe it, I've seen it. The woman travails in natural childbirth and also spiritual childbirth.

I love to hear the Mommas in my church pray, because I know something is getting ready to happen...