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Old 10-04-2007, 10:07 PM
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Good point, maybe. Just don't put a stick in my hand and start swinging the jib boom ... that's all I'm saying. I won't be responsible!
Some "expert" attending my church complained to the pastor a few years ago that the center screen at the back of the platform in front of the baptistry was "distracting" and should not be used.

For awhile they stopped using it but I believe enough people complained about it being gone that they started using it again. In a large church you get used to seeing the preacher close up on the screen during sermons.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:12 PM
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You bring up an intersting point that I have first hand experience with.

When churches first started videoing services some thought that cameras would inhibit people or distract them.

I can tell you that I directed and produced videotaping a Pentecostal service with four cameras for many years and even when the jib boom was added to the mix after just a very few services people don't pay them any attention.

It is like when someone first gets glasses or even just new glasses if they already wear them. For the first few days they are noticiable but very quickly your eyes and mind adjusts to them and you don't notice them anymore.
Not that I am doing backflips or anything, but if my church started filming live services for TV I would rethink my participation.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:23 PM
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Not that I am doing backflips or anything, but if my church started filming live services for TV I would rethink my participation.
There should be "safe" places or times. Of course everybody's different and for some there would be little difference with or without the cameras. I try to sit under the balcony and away from "the spotlight." I'm out of view of the cameras that are already there. If my pastor "goes showbiz" (doubtful) I'll just move further to the back, or check myself into the nursery.

But why should everybody who's going to do TV just all suddenly jump out there showing more and more church services? "Ministry" needs to be rethought, IMO. We need to come up with different things than what's already out there.
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There should be "safe" places or times. Of course everybody's different and for some there would be little difference with or without the cameras. I try to sit under the balcony and away from "the spotlight." I'm out of view of the cameras that are already there. If my pastor "goes showbiz" (doubtful) I'll just move further to the back, or check myself into the nursery.

But why should everybody who's going to do TV just all suddenly jump out there showing more and more church services? "Ministry" needs to be rethought, IMO. We need to come up with different things than what's already out there.
Yes. How about a coffee shop atmosphere where a minister does interviews with those with dramatic testimony. We could have a holiness barista who interupts to grind beans and run the espresso. Man! I'm good!
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:21 PM
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Maybe it was Spanish people, and that is fine. I am definitely not for dance/flag/group dances as a ministry within a church. They are coordinated dances that appeal to the flesh, and impress the eye, but we do not need sensual/sensational worship, but heartfelt spontaneous worship.
You need to go to the mission field for awhile. Please.
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it was an attempt by an easterner at humor with a midwesterner.
That's where the confusion came in.

I had no idea easterners had humor!! LOL!
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:37 PM
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You need to go to the mission field for awhile. Please.
I'd like to know what is wrong with appealing to the flesh!! Everything we do appeals to the flesh!!

Don't believe me, just look at the decorations in the sanctuary!!! God doesn't care for all that stuff, including having lightbulbs!

Sheesh......LOL!
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I'd like to know what is wrong with appealing to the flesh!! Everything we do appeals to the flesh!!

Don't believe me, just look at the decorations in the sanctuary!!! God doesn't care for all that stuff, including having lightbulbs!

Sheesh......LOL!
No, she's right. If you plan it out at all then it's "in the flesh..." If you preach from notes, it's not "the Word of God" that's being preached.

If you "dance" without clenching your eyes shut and launching yourself out there mosh pit style, it's "in the flesh."

If you run the aisles without damaging the furniture you're carnal. If you've never given or received a fat lip, bruise or painful injury while doing the shockamoo you're "in the flesh."

If you're planning and saving for retirement and not casting lots (playing the lottery) then you don't really trust God.
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I'd like to know what is wrong with appealing to the flesh!! Everything we do appeals to the flesh!!

Don't believe me, just look at the decorations in the sanctuary!!! God doesn't care for all that stuff, including having lightbulbs!

Sheesh......LOL!
NO AIR CONDITIONERS!!!!! NO INDOOR TOILETS!!!! That is PLEASING to the flesh. We need spontaneous sweating and difficulty using the bathroom--that is TRUE sacrifice.
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:02 AM
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No, she's right. If you plan it out at all then it's "in the flesh..." If you preach from notes, it's not "the Word of God" that's being preached.

If you "dance" without clenching your eyes shut and launching yourself out there mosh pit style, it's "in the flesh."

If you run the aisles without damaging the furniture you're carnal. If you've never given or received a fat lip, bruise or painful injury while doing the shockamoo you're "in the flesh."

If you're planning and saving for retirement and not casting lots (playing the lottery) then you don't really trust God.
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NO AIR CONDITIONERS!!!!! NO INDOOR TOILETS!!!! That is PLEASING to the flesh. We need spontaneous sweating and difficulty using the bathroom--that is TRUE sacrifice.
You both are funny!

I just love it when people talk about how things that are appealing to the flesh is bad. If it was so bad, God wouldn't have created autumn!!!! The beauty of the Caribbean would be lost!

God didn't create all things for His benefit....but for ours. He created all things to appeal to our flesh. It's a good thing.
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