Are Beards The Mark Of The Beast?

[Costeon]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Can you PLEASE give documentation about the turnaround?

Having been in the UPCI since 1992, I can tell you that there has been a turn around overall and facial hair is not anything like the big deal it was in the past--at least for the laity. No preacher is going to show up at a district or national event with a beard or mustache. This is not to say that there aren't churches or areas of the country where they may still be very much against them.

I'm very much against beards.
Because I can't grow one very well. :-)
I have no problem with them.

At my church many men have facial hair. A couple of our main musicians have beards.

In the church David Bernard founded, the head usher who was in that role for over 20 years has a mustache. There are many people there with facial hair.

Was the book published by The Pentecostal Publishing House? Non-PPH books are allowed to be sold at UPCI events. As someone also mentioned, David Bernard almost certainly isn't aware of all that is sold.

At any rate, the ban against facial hair is dying in the UPC.

Regarding, Chosen's statement about Jesus not having a beard. Of course he did. In Israel (and surrounding Eastern nations) beards have been as much of an ornament for men and as highly regarded as long hair on women.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So I have not criticized Mike Bickle and Misty Edwards doctrines that are false?

I have not seen a thread or any post in which you have condemned Bickle, Edwards or ihop for their false doctrine.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I have not contended against Trinity? Sinners prayer alone salvation? Immortal soul? No headcovering?

You have in various posts and threads, but not specifically when the subject is on ihop, Bickle and Edwards.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I have been fighting these doctrines for many years. I dont ignore them.

I didn't say you ignore the doctrines. I said you ignore ihop, Bickle and Edward's belief in those doctrines. As stated above, you have posted against those doctrines in various posts and threads. But unless I missed a thread, you have not done so against ihop, Bickle and Edwards.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Misty Edwards at least used to be a relentless seeker of Jesus in fasting and prayer. She is/was definitely IMO the greatest worship leader I have ever seen. Songs of holiness and judgment not just pats on the back.

"The greatest worship leader" you've ever seen? This is obvious hyperbole. Sad that she's a relentless seeker of God. You'd think by now she'd have found Him.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Costeon

Was the book published by The Pentecostal Publishing House? Non-PPH books are allowed to be sold at UPCI events. As someone also mentioned, David Bernard almost certainly isn't aware of all that is sold.

No, it was published by some other company. I worked at the bookstore at a district campground. The UPC HQ did not run the bookstore, nor did we report what was being sold.

I highly doubt Bernard has even read the book.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Costeon

Having been in the UPCI since 1992, I can tell you that there has been a turn around overall and facial hair is not anything like the big deal it was in the past--at least for the laity. No preacher is going to show up at a district or national event with a beard or mustache.

I personally knew a man with a big, scraggy beard who became pastor of a UPC church. He wasn't pastor for long. Which is a good thing for that church.

[n david]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Jesus didn't have a beard. That guy in the photo is not Him Mike im sorry to inform you.

I know the guy who's often represented as Jesus in pictures isn't really Him. But I do believe Jesus had a beard. I don't understand why people try arguing that Jesus was always freshly shaved and only had stubble from which the soldiers carefully used tweezers to pluck.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Costeon

Having been in the UPCI since 1992, I can tell you that there has been a turn around overall and facial hair is not anything like the big deal it was in the past--at least for the laity. No preacher is going to show up at a district or national event with a beard or mustache. This is not to say that there aren't churches or areas of the country where they may still be very much against them.

I'm very much against beards.
Because I can't grow one very well. :-)
I have no problem with them.

At my church many men have facial hair. A couple of our main musicians have beards.

In the church David Bernard founded, the head usher who was in that role for over 20 years has a mustache. There are many people there with facial hair.

Was the book published by The Pentecostal Publishing House? Non-PPH books are allowed to be sold at UPCI events. As someone also mentioned, David Bernard almost certainly isn't aware of all that is sold.

At any rate, the ban against facial hair is dying in the UPC.

Regarding, Chosen's statement about Jesus not having a beard. Of course he did. In Israel (and surrounding Eastern nations) beards have been as much of an ornament for men and as highly regarded as long hair on women.

Actually its published by ADVANCE MINISTRIES out of Willis Texas.

Thanks for making me aware of this. NOT PPH.

http://www.advanceministries.org/

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If its old news why is there no documentation? The Church I am attending told me they oppose beards.

Its congregation to congregation, there's gotta be a liberal UPCI church around in my town theres 3. They even have a end time ministries UPCI church where the Pastor proclaims weird prophecies. How people passing gas will spread plagues, he's had dreams, and all this other stuff. He sells a book of all his prophecies too, for the low price of 50.00.

So there's gotta be another option.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by n david

I guess what I'm getting at is this: you waste no time "standing firm" (to put it nicely) against A/P ministers with whom you disagree. Yet I haven't seen anything but praise for groups like ihop, who promote sinner's prayer salvation, trinitarian godhead, catholic mysticism and eastern philosophy.

Perhaps I've missed it, but I don't believe there's been a single thread by you, like this one, critical and damning of the beliefs of ihop, Bickle and Edwards.

You claim you "can't ignore" the book because of the "false doctrine." I wonder if it's the false doctrine which has you riled up or the affiliation of the author. Because you've ignored and even defended ihop, Bickle and Edwards in spite of their false doctrine.

I do agree he even gave praises to the extreme Trinitarian Pentecostal pastor who didn't allow eye glasses or Dr's. But other than that I've only heard him say anything good about Irvin Baxter, and Elder Drysdale.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

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Jesus didn't have a beard.

OK now tell us how you know Jesus had no beard?

Because most Jews didn't have beards and had short hair. Theyve found archaeological proofs. As you know history is written by the victors, so theyve found drawings and the men they drew have short hair and no beards.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by n david

Always? Are you saying the missionaries are lying?


Wow. Okay.

I wouldn't say they were always lying, but some of the stories are very numbers based. That's all im saying, with the UPC I take all those stories and number with a grain of salt.

But in Africa Oneness is taking over and the UPCI isn't the ones doing it. Ive never heard any of these men give crazy numbers either besides for the number of Trinitarian ministers they preached in front of. No baptismal numbers or anything. The UPCI is the only oneness organizarion I know coming with a numbers system like that.