Brother Ken Raggio 4 Global Minds

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Sean

The Church is only found on earth in the first 3 chapters, right?....


Revelation 4King James Version (KJV)

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.



Think about it awhile.

No this is what somebody told us!
The church is found all over the revelation where SAINTS are referred.
We do not have a second suffering sinners-saints group but the only saints we know!

[Sean]

After Rev. 4:1, saints are found in heaven.

The inhabitants of the earth are then subject to the "woes".

[Sean]

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.



2 groups.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Sean

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.



2 groups.

Saints are still on earth. So Saints are in earth and they get ruptured just before the wrath of God.
It is another thing the tribulation that come from Antichrist to the church and an other event the wrath of God toward Antichrist`s followers.
That is a little before the rapture:14!12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

[Sean]

....for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath....


Is this your God sicking the devil on YOU?

[Sean]

Rev 14 are trib saints that are being martyred.

[Sean]

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

[Sean]

An angry devil is turned loose on the Spirit filled saints(church) to kill them?

Not likely.

[Sean]

On the contrary....



10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Sean

On the contrary....



10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

All apostolic church suffered and died, all real Christians died through Catholics ,so is big deal if Antichrist will attack to the church of God like always?
Is another thing the TRIBULATION and another the WRATH OF GOD.
Are you better from Paul or Peter and you want to escape? But thanks God we will not suffer His wrath!
After all he speaks to ALL 7 churches the same words:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25 But that which ye have [already] hold fast till I come.