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[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

On the one hand you blast preachers for their ego, while on the other excusing the ego of the one preaching another person's thoughts practically verbatim. I'm confused.

You are confusing dude. If someone uses a sermon from someone else they have an ego? Or aer you saying specifically JF has an ego? You write in riddles.....

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Sam

Some years ago I preached at a nearby (about 60-70 miles away) church one Sunday night. The sermon was "original" in that I didn't hear or read it somewhere and then recycle it as my own but I'm sure it contained stuff I had heard or read somewhere. A week or so later I preached at another church in a city near that first church and the pastor there told me that after he had heard me preach the week or so before, he had preached my sermon to his congregation. I had no problem with that. Actually, I took it as a compliment.

Great that he told you. This isn't what JF is accused of either.

A tangent:
Now remove yourself from the equation, why DOESN'T the other preacher share his inspiration here?

"While with my brother, Sam, I wanted to share with you and convey to you some thoughts he shared that I felt guided by the Spirit and timely for us tonight."

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Sam

Some years ago I preached at a nearby (about 60-70 miles away) church one Sunday night. The sermon was "original" in that I didn't hear or read it somewhere and then recycle it as my own but I'm sure it contained stuff I had heard or read somewhere. A week or so later I preached at another church in a city near that first church and the pastor there told me that after he had heard me preach the week or so before, he had preached my sermon to his congregation. I had no problem with that. Actually, I took it as a compliment.

See Sam....we see eye to eye about this. I think it would be a huge compliment.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

You are confusing dude. If someone uses a sermon from someone else they have an ego? Or aer you saying specifically JF has an ego? You write in riddles.....

Riddles? Huh??

You blast preachers who are "offended" as full of pride and ego, but say nothing of the ego and pride of preachers who implicitly accept the credit for being such great speakers. (I have no knowledge of JF and was only sharing the allegation which he has not responded to) I never said "JF has an ego." If you can quote me, that'd be great. You are heavy on the JF defense here. Be objective with this conversation and let's start over.

The Riddler (hahaha *wow*)

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

See Sam....we see eye to eye about this. I think it would be a huge compliment.

Forget what YOU'D feel like. I'm talking about the guy speaking. See my questions above. I even spelled out some nifty options for you.

[Jeffrey]

Would plagiarism feel like flattery to you too? Ha. WHO CARES! That's not the point of the matter!!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Yes, it's flattering. Take away your flattery (as the impersonated preacher) for a moment.

Why WOULDN'T you cite a source?

Here's the choices:

1) Laziness
2) Pride
3) Dishonesty
4) All the above

Preaching a thought is not what I have summed up here, nor is what JF is accused of. It's the identical outline of another minister, analogies/illustrations and all, and not just one section, but from start to finish. Before I bemoan the decay of ministerial ethics, I'll assume your views are of a minority opinion. Hopefully

Man you are stretching out there to try and prove a futile point. The only thing wrong with using anothers sermon is if you use a story that actually happened to the person that you heard preaching it and used it as it was your own. Example, preacher b stating that he met a Jewish man and had a big revival when it acutally didn't happen to him it happend to preacher A. That is wrong when you lie about a story as act like it happened to you...that is unethical.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Sam

Isn't she actually Madonna Louise Ciccone who was born August 16, 1958 and is an American recording artist, actress and entrepreneur?

No, sorry...Madonna Massey can actually sing--THIS Madonna has to shore up her lack of spectacular vocal skills with showbiz, extreme yoga poses and overall shock value.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Man you are stretching out there to try and prove a futile point. The only thing wrong with using anothers sermon is if you use a story that actually happened to the person that you heard preaching it and used it as it was your own. Example, preacher b stating that he met a Jewish man and had a big revival when it acutally didn't happen to him it happend to preacher A. That is wrong when you lie about a story as act like it happened to you...that is unethical.

How do you arrive at your conclusion that this is unethical but everything else is okay?

Have you taken an Ethics class before?

Is it wrong only if the sermon is printed in a book with someone else's words, and only if they speak the words it's all okay not to cite sources?

JT, how am I stretching and what is so futile about my point?

[Jeffrey]

Questions for ministers:

Have you ever used another person’s sermon whole or in part?

Have you given credit for the sermon or ideas from it?

How do you distinguish between larceny and inspiration?

What should we do with offenders?