The Legalist on Covenant - Page 5

Jeffrey · #41 02-19-2010, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

This is true...Simple...Repent....Be Baptized in Jesus Name...and be filled with the Holy Ghost....I agree...

How can I "be filled with the Spirit?" That's nothing I can do for myself. Why would Christ drop the weight of my own salvation as something I must do. That's so contrary to his entire mission. We aren't getting credit. He saved us with His own blood. We simply needed to confess Him as Lord, with faith that He is who He said He is. Everything else is part and parcel of living out this beginning with Jesus.

TheLegalist · #42 02-19-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Sounds like Luther's response to the RCC.

LOL! Luther was all over the board when it came to beliefs... At one point he was a antinomian and later many would call him a legalist.

Sam · #43 02-19-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

How can I "be filled with the Spirit?" That's nothing I can do for myself. Why would Christ drop the weight of my own salvation as something I must do. That's so contrary to his entire mission. We aren't getting credit. He saved us with His own blood. We simply needed to confess Him as Lord, with faith that He is who He said He is. Everything else is part and parcel of living out this beginning with Jesus.

Submit to the Spirit and let Him fill you.

Jeffrey · #44 02-19-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Submit to the Spirit and let Him fill you.

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What if it doesn't happen right away? Am I not submitted?

Sam · #45 02-19-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

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What if it doesn't happen right away? Am I not submitted?

I didn't say that.

I believe there are many submissions and many fillings.

Praxeas · #46 02-19-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

If I understand Roman Catholic doctrine correctly,
1 water baptism is the birth of water spoken of in John 3:5 if applied properly
2 water baptism remits/forgives/washes away sin

Any sin after baptism is forgiven by confession/repentance

There is only one true church which has an unbroken history from St. Peter until the present and we must remain in a state of grace and submission to the leadership of that church to remain saved

Don't they also believe a person is reborn of the Spirit through this?

Praxeas · #47 02-19-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

In contrast with the Apostolic view:

This is from an article titled “The Blood Covenant” by Howard A. Goss which appeared in the June 1954 Pentecostal Herald, pages 6 and 10. Howard Goss was the first General Superintendent of the United Pentecostal Church and served in that office from 1945-1951.

... repentance brings the blood of Jesus to a sinner’s heart to wipe out and cleanse him from all sin, he should then be baptized in water as a confession of his faith in the atonement...

When a sinner fully repents and confesses before God, the blood of Jesus atones for his sins , and cleanses his heart from all sin, and when he is clean then only is he a fit subject for water baptism. After that comes the promise “…you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost…” (Acts 2:38)

The blood and power of the Lord Jesus is the only source of regeneration or the New Birth. Water baptism alone has no power to remit sins, else we could baptize infants as do the Catholics. The Roman Catholic teaches regeneration by water baptism, but it is not according to the Word of God. A candidate for baptism in water should be baptized BECAUSE THE BLOOD has cleansed, remitted, forgiven his sins, and not in order to get them remitted, as WATER ALONE CANNOT WASH AWAY SINS. The old hymn goes:
What can wash away my sins,
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.

To the One steppers...would you agree that he should be baptized as a confession of his faith in the atonement or would you use stronger language like he MUST be baptized as a confession of his faith in the atonement?

Praxeas · #48 02-19-2010, 08:53 PM

Luther still believed in baptismal regeneration and infant baptism

TheLegalist · #49 02-25-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

How can I "be filled with the Spirit?" That's nothing I can do for myself. Why would Christ drop the weight of my own salvation as something I must do. That's so contrary to his entire mission. We aren't getting credit. He saved us with His own blood. We simply needed to confess Him as Lord, with faith that He is who He said He is. Everything else is part and parcel of living out this beginning with Jesus.

This is almost comical.... that is all we need to do be saved? Talk about mental assent doctrine. Not what my Bible says.

TheLegalist · #50 02-26-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Well, I have found out that in many of these discussions that no one will actually define what they believe. If a person truly has faith then everything else will take care of itself.

Our faith, given to us as a gift by God doesn't include repentance but results in repentance. When we are born again of God he starts a work in us that will be finished. (MY COMMENT: THUS REPENTANCE is the "RESULT" as you said of being born again or POST aspect of being born again) Correct?
True faith is a belief in the promise that whatever has to be done for my salvation has already be accomplished from the foundation of the world. I believe that if I totally submit my heart and life to God he will keep me and ultimately glorify me.

Any works that I am to accomplish will happen as a result of the grace extended to me by God. Not because I did something within myself.

So you believe we are saved BEFORE repentance? WOW you are on the extreme other end.