Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well... I figured that was what you were talking about.

1. This constitutional amendment is not a law that forces a tax on me. it is, albeit unconstitional, an amendment that gives them the right to make such a law.

So... albeit unconstitional... we will let that slide for now...

The 16th amendment gave them the right to impose a direct (unconstitutional) and unapportioned (unconstitional) tax on the income of the American people.

Let's say I accept that.

So... where is the law they made in response to the amendment giving them the right to do so.

The amendment isn't a law creating taxation.

The amendment is the granting (albeit unconstitutional) to impose a direct & unapportioned tax on the income of americans.

To start with their is no such thing as an unconstitutional amendment. An amendment to the Constitution is by definition a changing or adding to of the Constitution.

Under the 16th Amendment when Congress passes a law determine what percentage of your income they will confiscate, that is the law that says you must pay. In addition to that the IRS under the Treasury Department is given the authority to collect those taxes.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yes sir... they have been taught well and have been given the proper procedures to do so.

But, albeit in my lowly estate of having not passed the bar or the cpa exam, I do know that there is one item not included in all of their procedures which so swiftly make those who question status quo feel like lowly idiots for even asking the question...

That item that is not included in their repertoire is this... a copy of the law.

They can ridicule.

They can tell me how stupid I am for asking the question.

They can say us "Of COURSE there's a law"

But can they show us the law?

No sir... they cannot.

Because there isn't one.

If you would watch the video you would see IRS Agents who flippantly thought they would "set these idiots straight" and set out to show them the law.

It wasn't there.

They quit.

Don't ask the IRS agent to cite law. Tax attorneys and CPA's can.

He just works from his manual. IRS agents are the lower end of the gene pool. CPA's get hustled in college. The ones CPA firms don't want take the civil service exam after a years work at wendy's and go to the IRS.

Actually every CPA firm for years had a tax law library called their conference room. Now it is all online by subscription. Every law, every ruling recent case law and the works. I even can look up my own State supreme court cases by using my name.When we have new legislation, We have our company international CPA firm send us summaries for our relevant use. Then they will make a booklet.

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/giordan...onsolidate.htm

In the findings of this case, the laws are all withinn the document.

You just click on them and the cornell law page pops up.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1964.html

Now it is public access for most all states to have annoted statutes on line.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

To start with their is no such thing as an unconstitutional amendment. An amendment to the Constitution is by definition a changing or adding to of the Constitution.

The constitution forbids the federal government to impose a direct unapportioned tax on the people.

The 16th amendment imposes a direct unapportioned tax on the people.

You figure it out.

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Under the 16th Amendment when Congress passes a law determine what percentage of your income they will confiscate, that is the law that says you must pay.

Okay... show me that law.

Originally Posted by Baron1710

In addition to that the IRS under the Treasury Department is given the authority to collect those taxes.

No sir... per the constitution... you remember that pesky document.... CONGRESS has the right to collect taxes...

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by coadie

Don't ask the IRS agent to cite law. Tax attorneys and CPA's can.

He just works from his manual. IRS agents are the lower end of the gene pool. CPA's get hustled in college. The ones CPA firms don't want take the civil service exam after a years work at wendy's and go to the IRS.

Actually every CPA firm for years had a tax law library called their conference room. Now it is all online by subscription. Every law, every ruling recent case law and the works. I even can look up my own State supreme court cases by using my name.When we have new legislation, We have our company international CPA firm send us summaries for our relevant use. Then they will make a booklet.

http://www.supremelaw.org/cc/giordan...onsolidate.htm

In the findings of this case, the laws are all withinn the document.

You just click on them and the cornell law page pops up.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1964.html

Now it is public access for most all states to have annoted statutes on line.

Can you copy & paste the law?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

The constitution forbids the federal government to impose a direct unapportioned tax on the people.

The 16th amendment imposes a direct unapportioned tax on the people.

You figure it out.



Okay... show me that law.



No sir... per the constitution... you remember that pesky document.... CONGRESS has the right to collect taxes...

The Constitution also says...Section 2 of Article I states that apart from free persons "all other persons," meaning slaves, are each to be counted as three-fifths of a white person for the purpose of apportioning congressional representatives on the basis of population. Section 9 of Article I states that the importation of "such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit," meaning slaves, would be permitted until 1808. And Section 2 of Article IV directs that persons "held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another," meaning fugitive slaves, were to be returned to their owners.

Hmmm looks like we passed an amendment that was contrary to the constitution.

Do you not understand that we can pass amendments that are contrary to the Constitution? That is exactly why the 16th was passed and the 13th was passed.

As for the most current law I believe this would be it...

The Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 (TIPRA) was signed into law by President George W. Bush on May 17, 2006, after the Senate passed the bill on May 11, 2006, and the House of Representatives passed the bill on December 8, 2005.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well that was easy.

No research of your own.

I assume you didn't watch the video.

just a quick challenge to the man's honesty and an even quicker reference to "tax protester nut cases" and VOILA.

Case Closed.

Thanks D4T, you are right, he did not watch the video.
If he did he would have seen hard facts.

Coadie, I have already said I agree that I (D4T as well) pay taxes, & I believe in filing tax forms.

That being said, there is no law on the books authorizing a collection of Income tax.
In the film he gives fact that the 16th ammendment did not pass & there are judges who believe the same as well.

Furthermore, he goes on to say "Income tax" is a tax that goes against your Constitution.

Watch the video!

[coadie]

http://www.fourmilab.ch/ustax/ustax.html

http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/

Just a small sample of laws, appeals and cases.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yes sir... they have been taught well and have been given the proper procedures to do so.

But, albeit in my lowly estate of having not passed the bar or the cpa exam, I do know that there is one item not included in all of their procedures which so swiftly make those who question status quo feel like lowly idiots for even asking the question...

That item that is not included in their repertoire is this... a copy of the law.

They can ridicule.

They can tell me how stupid I am for asking the question.

They can say us "Of COURSE there's a law"

But can they show us the law?

No sir... they cannot.

Because there isn't one.

If you would watch the video you would see IRS Agents who flippantly thought they would "set these idiots straight" and set out to show them the law.

It wasn't there.

They quit.

Right!
All the IRS can do is show a copy of the Tax Regulations, & not a law authorizing them to do so!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Ron

Thanks D4T, you are right, he did not watch the video.
If he did he would have seen hard facts.

Coadie, I have already said I agree that I (D4T as well) pay taxes, & I believe in filing tax forms.

That being said, there is no law on the books authorizing a collection of Income tax.
In the film he gives fact that the 16th ammendment did not pass & there are judges who believe the same as well.

Furthermore, he goes on to say "Income tax" is a tax that goes against your Constitution.

Watch the video!

They're not going to watch it.

This is a waste of finger muscles.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

Thanks D4T, you are right, he did not watch the video.
If he did he would have seen hard facts.

Coadie, I have already said I agree that I (D4T as well) pay taxes, & I believe in filing tax forms.

That being said, there is no law on the books authorizing a collection of Income tax.
In the film he gives fact that the 16th ammendment did not pass & there are judges who believe the same as well.

Furthermore, he goes on to say "Income tax" is a tax that goes against your Constitution.

Watch the video!

The Ignorance here is amazing. When an amendment is attached to the Constitution, regardless of what the Constitution said before it is now changed to include the words of the Amendment.

Also, the fact is the 16th was passed.