Martin Luther on Christian Baptism: IT SAVES!!!!!!

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Adino

He that is married by a preacher and puts on a ring shall be wed. He that is not married by a preacher shall be considered unwed.

Does it follow that he who neglects to put on a ring is also to be considered unwed? Of course not.

The ring is simply a token of the marriage union as baptism is a token of our union with Christ.

He that doesn't beleive is not going to be baptized so there is not reason to state, he that believes not and is baptized not shall be damned.

A ring is not necessary part of the wedding covenant, but baptism is essential to the new birth. It's pretty simple, you are not part of the covenant if you do not act out what is needed to be part of the covenant. You could be born into the nation of Israel but you where not a partaker in Abraham's covenant if you where not circumcised in the foreskin. The circumcision or token of the new covenant, is preform without hands in baptism.

Logic works if you think logically.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Speaking in tongues means you have received the gift of the Holy Spirit but it does not mean you are saved.
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Care to elaborate? Really thrown for a loop on that one....

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

He that doesn't beleive is not going to be baptized so there is not reason to state, he that believes not and is baptized not shall be damned.

I beg to differ.

There are people who go down dry devils and come up wet devils.

They may have felt convicted, but they did not believe. If they had believed then that day would have not been the last time we seen them at church.

People do religious things all the time because it is the right thing to do, not because they believe.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Written by DaveC: Here's what Martin Luther (you know, the guy whose battle cry was "the just shall live by faith!!!") had to say about baptism (taken from his Large Catechism):

I've been saying this for years! When it came to "works" he was against the idea of adding things to do like indulgences, but he believed baptism did something spiritual

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1399

Oh and once the new believer develops that performance mind set, they will either fake the funk to get by or just quit trying (at that church or even all together) because we're not saved by works.

So I am looking for a church that believes in the infilling of the Holy Ghost but can present the Gospel in a way that does not lead the new convert down a road the equates performance with salvation. I wish the A of G would allow ministers to baptize in Jesus name.

This of course seems to imply that if the Assemblies of God baptized in Jesus name you would be willing to join them.

But the fact that they preach the false Trinity doctrine.... is that unimportant to you?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

This of course seems to imply that if the Assemblies of God baptized in Jesus name you would be willing to join them.

But the fact that they preach the false Trinity doctrine.... is that unimportant to you?

Good question and I thought about it, of course, after I typed it.

Man, why is it so difficult to find an Apostolic Church that does not add all sorts of stupid man made stuff and call it Gospel???

I don't believe a person has to understand completely who GOD is in order to be saved. But, this is a very dangerous opinion to have and can lead me down a bad road with some twisted people if I am not careful.

Why do the Apostolics I know have to add to the Bible???

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1399

Good question and I thought about it, of course, after I typed it.

Man, why is it so difficult to find an Apostolic Church that does not add all sorts of stupid man made stuff and call it Gospel???

I don't believe a person has to understand completely who GOD is in order to be saved. But, this is a very dangerous opinion to have and can lead me down a bad road with some twisted people if I am not careful.

Why do the Apostolics I know have to add to the Bible???

If it comes down to it, then try the White Pages or Yellow Pages... there are lots of Apostolic churches in the phone book.

You can just visit one Apostolic church a week till you find one you're comfortable with.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by 1399

I won't try to explain his words. I will state that I simply disagree with what it looks like he is trying to state.

Acts 10:43 states (paraphrased) that everyone who believes on Jesus receives forgiveness of sins, through His name.

If you believe you will be baptized.

Besides, unless Martin Luther is an, "One God, Apostolic, Tongue-talkin', holy roller, born again, Heaven-bound, believer in the liberating power of Jesus name", he is a FALSE PROPHET.

Bro Epley would not need to fall back on a FALSE PROPHET to back him up.

Using this FALSE PROPHET to back your opinion on what the Bible states is the same as using witch craft to validate one's holy magic hair doctrine.

and what happened when they believed? vs. 44 thru 48 tell the complete story.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Ferd

and what happened when they believed? vs. 44 thru 48 tell the complete story.

Yes they did speak in tongues as the Spirit gave utterance. Then they were baptized in the name of Jesus.

But this fact does not take away from the other fact that Peter preached that their sins were done away with at believing.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by 1399

Yes they did speak in tongues as the Spirit gave utterance. Then they were baptized in the name of Jesus.

But this fact does not take away from the other fact that Peter preached that their sins were done away with at believing.

im trying to follow peace with all men thus my more gentle approach.

Yours sure seems to be the popular interpritation here on AFF.... I see Peters words as expressing what happens... the rest of the chapter explains how....


peace.