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12-17-2007, 11:49 PM
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12-17-2007, 11:53 PM
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Who is arguing?? I am simply asking what is unethical about this group forming, even if they are forming a full fledged Org??
I can agree that is Craft did what he is reported doing he was not being ethical. But the question is, whas he doing it as an authority of the non functioning new Org, or was he doing it of his own account?
How 'bout this one...
Maybe no more unethical than a man in your church forming a little group of your people that agree with him more than you (pastor) and starting another church across the street from you, contacting and reaching into your congregation in order to increase the "new fellowship".
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You've stated this before and it doesn't equate in comparison. As Matt said, apples and elephants (sorry, St.Matt)
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12-17-2007, 11:54 PM
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Self-appointed ... the General Council ... I'm sure is the tried and true "innovative" idea used to get folks on board .... Hey, come w/ us ... You'll be on the General Council.
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But what happpened to the "7 and 7x7" make up? Like I said earlier, with T. L. Craft's "demotion" we now have a "6 and 50" composition.
The chakras are all wrong!
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12-17-2007, 11:55 PM
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You've stated this before and it doesn't equate in comparison. As Matt said, apples and elephants (sorry, St.Matt)
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Says you. I don't agree.
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12-17-2007, 11:56 PM
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But what happpened to the "7 and 7x7" make up? Like I said earlier, with T. L. Craft's "demotion" we now have a "6 and 50" composition.
The chakras are all wrong!
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Apparently, TLC had some "second" thoughts ... and has been placated.
The maneuvering was necessary.
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12-17-2007, 11:58 PM
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You've stated this before and it doesn't equate in comparison. As Matt said, apples and elephants (sorry, St.Matt)
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Says you. I don't agree.
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It may be a technicality, but the UPCI manual's language does forbid proselytizing other UPC ministers to leave the org.
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12-17-2007, 11:59 PM
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Yup, that looks like just a "loose fellowship of like faith brethern"
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12-18-2007, 12:00 AM
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It will happen. Some of these men have keep honest men with burdens out of their cities. One of these on the list told me it would "be over his dead body", that I would start a church in his city. The population you ask???? 1 million . . . his church size you ask??? About 275. Help me with the logic . . . He is the only "oneness" church in that city.
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Without some circumstances other than this simple explanation I would hate to have to answer to God for taking that position Con, Lib or otherwise and that might be an interesting discussion for another thread. My only point was that we all bring certain biases to these discussions. The current "whipping boys" for some on this board are the Tulsa group. I just think that it is too bad that nothing honorable can be ascribed to any of thes men.
Btw it must be someone on the General Council as none of the men on the Executive council pastor in cities with a population of 1 million or more. There are only about 8 in the US.
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12-18-2007, 12:02 AM
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BTW, I thought Cris Craft didn't want anything to do with the Tulsa group??
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12-18-2007, 12:02 AM
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It may be a technicality, but the UPCI manual's language does forbid proselytizing other UPC ministers to leave the org.
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Who's asking who to leave?
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