Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Jason B]

Here's something that will be helpful to those interested. You can watch it, listen to it, or read it if you desire to. Some of you NEEED to.
[some tidbits]

There is so much confusion on this outside the church that’s explicable. But there seems to be about equal confusion inside the church. In fact, there is a new kind of evangelicalism that labels itself, “tolerant, loving, non-judgmental,” that is affirming those who carry about and legitimize these kind of lusts and behaviors and they do so while maintaining the name of Jesus Christ in an affirmation that they themselves are Christians.............


The evangelical church must stick with a biblical definition of sin and confront the sinner with every sin, whether conventionally popular or not. And there is a massive movement to appease the guilt of homosexual behavior, and it is a fierce guilt that needs relentless appeasement. There is a massive movement to somehow free these people from their behavior that is a result of unchecked lust and to make them feel okay about what they do.....


The best statistics that I could find indicate that somewhere between one and two percent of the population in our country would classify themselves as engaging in homosexual sex acts. But this very small portion of our population is commanding the attention of the 98 to 99 percent of the rest of us. They’re endeavoring to make us accept the fact that this is some kind of normal behavior. Not only that, they deserve special treatment because they’ve been so abused in the past. Their agenda is simple, they just want to desensitize us to the sinful character of this. They want to desensitize us. They don’t need us to become advocates, they just need us not to care, to roll over, if you will, to acknowledge them as just another minority who should enjoy same human rights that others enjoy. But this is not a race of people............


No matter how you try to glamorize it and make it look normal, and make it look nice and all of that, let me give you some statistics. Eighty percent of people engaged in homosexual acts say half their partners are total strangers, one out of two. How many partners do they have? The latest statistics that I can find indicate that the average homosexual has had more than 500 sexual partners...500. By their own admission, 50 percent of them, total strangers. Thirty percent have had a thousand partners. Some as many as 1600. The latest that I could find out on the average, the average has 300 a year, almost one different person a day. They are one to two percent of the population, but 50 percent of the people with AIDS. One in twenty of these people is a child molester, for the normal population it’s about one in 500. They are one thousand times more likely to get AIDS, one hundred times more likely to be murdered. Eighty percent of them have sexually transmitted diseases. The average death of our population is now 75. The average American dies at 75, the average person engaged in homosexual life dies at 39

source: Sermon by John MacArthur
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons...=homosexuality

[canam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I needed time to consider my response and to pray and ask God for wisdom in responding. That's probably a foreign concept for you.

And so after all that, you felt God saying ,in my words, yep, go watch them sin and oh, btw take a gift.puleeeze!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

There are things about you I don't care for. I'm gonna go out on the limb and say there are certain sins that could easily ensnare you and that you struggle with.......and I would go to your wedding, too, and get you a gift.

So the people who get married that invite you to their wedding......do they EARN your attendance or do you go because you love them?

Apples to Oranges. Attending a homosexual wedding is not the same as attending a heterosexual wedding.

And yes, I as well as every other human being have weakness and temptations, and things that could ensnare us and cause us to be lost. Which is why I don't believe once saved always saved, and why I continually ask God for strength and wisdom, because if I am left on my own, and leave God out of my life, there is no telling what I could do. I know what I did before I was saved (I wasn't raised in church).

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

The concept of the Bible is unconditional love PERIOD, not I will love them if I see potential they will change.

"Unconditional Love" is wonderful on the conceptual level but much different when practiced. Many Followers of Christ are better at principle than practice.

[MissBrattified]

The thought of attending a homosexual marriage gives me quite a bit of heartburn. I would most certainly not attend, since I consider it a statement of support of the union to attend a ceremony. I do not and would not support any homosexual union.

Does anyone recall that those who attend the wedding ceremony are included as witnesses and supporters? Are these things really just superficial and meaningless? I would prefer not to offer my support to a sinful union.

And yes, I would feel the same about the wedding of a man who cheated on his wife, and left her to marry the new girl. Courtesy does not require me to offer my support by way of attendance and gifts to any such marriage.

A lack of support does not equate hatred or even rudeness.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

The concept of the Bible is unconditional love PERIOD, not I will love them if I see potential they will change.

Love does not require support or tacit approval of every action, and in fact sometimes requires precisely the opposite.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The thought of attending a homosexual marriage gives me quite a bit of heartburn. I would most certainly not attend, since I consider it a statement of support of the union to attend a ceremony. I do not and would not support any homosexual union.

Does anyone recall that those who attend the wedding ceremony are included as witnesses and supporters? Are these things really just superficial and meaningless? I would prefer not to offer my support to a sinful union.

And yes, I would feel the same about the wedding of a man who cheated on his wife, and left her to marry the new girl. Courtesy does not require me to offer my support by way of attendance and gifts to any such marriage.

A lack of support does not equate hatred or even rudeness.

While I respect your view and position would you attend the wedding of this man ... if he was your son?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

The concept of the Bible is unconditional love PERIOD, not I will love them if I see potential they will change.

This is not my argument or position whatsoever.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Apples to Oranges. Attending a homosexual wedding is not the same as attending a heterosexual wedding.

And yes, I as well as every other human being have weakness and temptations, and things that could ensnare us and cause us to be lost. Which is why I don't believe once saved always saved, and why I continually ask God for strength and wisdom, because if I am left on my own, and leave God out of my life, there is no telling what I could do. I know what I did before I was saved (I wasn't raised in church).

Nope, that's where I believe you're completely off-base. Their sin is exactly the same as yours.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by DAII

Why have you stopped with sexual sins and murder, Skippy? Greed, avarice, pride, haughtiness and hate have wreaked more havoc on this world ... as has not having any other God than the Lord thy God ... COMMANDMENT NUMERO UNO ... YOU NEED TO BE CONSISTENT, JEFE ...

You don't believe in freedom of religion, do you? You're not making it okay to practice idolatry and witchcraft in any venue .... are you?

I can name a sin and tell you the bondage, grief and abject evil it has caused ... with the same ease as you. The wages of all sin is death ... and yet concede that certain sins bring a unique set of consequences among us mortals.

Yet the writer in Romans also tell us ...

The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more

Continuing to say that believing in equal protection under the law is ... is an open endorsement or stamp of approval of sin, sir ... condemns even you.

Bump for my favorite theocratic legalist who dabbles in grace.