52 Lies Heard in Church Every Sunday:

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Those who are His, He has secured.

yes or no...

because all sins past present and future have been forgiven at the moment of salvation?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Blume you never use that term It is not normal to your vocabulary. Theyuse it doctrinal specific. To say it does no have the conotation is amusing becuase everytime I hear it it always is the same people saying. SURE I cn say I agree with it WITHIN CERTAIN CONTEXT that is not the point. It is used of how atonement is done toward the believer to them.

Again that is not the point and is not normal jargon. yo re just juping on something to do it.



Again you have lost context and arguing against something that is pointless.

Luke, how many of your sins were atoned for on the cross???

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Luke, how many of your sins were paid for on the cross???

Aquila... typical. just answer the question. Well read up on it and get back to me with your new doctrine. It is not about a number but that the cross negated a covenant. He obtained authority over sin by the new man and his death being a offering once FOR SIN to destroy it for the reality of a new. sin is not forgive unless things come into reality. Nothing is forgiven unless you have rceived forgiveness. Until you understand covenant doctrine in relation to marriage and why Christ died as the husbandman you will not understand it through reformed doctrines eyes.


Oh thank for your confirmation of your move to OSAS. Everything you ask and point to proves it. Unless you are in denial.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

yes or no...

because all sins past present and future have been forgiven at the moment of salvation?

Yes. Sins are a symptom of a greater problem. Individual sins are not the issue. The issue is being in union with Jesus Christ, allowing His righteousness to flow through us. When we sin, it's the result of having cut off the flow of His righteousness in us. When we confess our sins... we are confessing that we took control at that point and chose to do as we desired.

All your sins are atoned for. Period. You need not even try to change your behavior. You need to change your perception and identity, allowing the new nature to guide you.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by aquila

yes. Sins are a symptom of a greater problem. Individual sins are not the issue. The issue is being in union with jesus christ, allowing his righteousness to flow through us. When we sin, it's the result of having cut off the flow of his righteousness in us. When we confess our sins... We are confessing that we took control at that point and chose to do as we desired.

all your sins are atoned for. Period. You need not even try to change your behavior. You need to change your perception and identity, allowing the new nature to guide you.

= OSAS Doctrine

Down the slide of false doctrine you go. Amazing!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

= OSAS Doctrine

Down the slide of false doctrine you go. Amazing!

Luke... false doctrine is the notion that Jesus didn't atone for all of your sins. Essentially you're telling me that Christ's blood ISN'T enough. You're also telling me that He didn't atone for all of your sins. You're telling me that you deny your identity in Christ and claiming that you must establish your own righteousness. In your theology you deny being hidden in Christ. You also appear to be denying that the believer's righteousness is predicated upon justification and flows from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke... all of the above is false doctrine.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Luke... false doctrine is the notion that Jesus didn't atone for all of your sins.

LOL.. you are hilarious. Nice way of not listening ad taking things into YOUR reasoning vs what is said.

Essentially you're telling me that Christ's blood ISN'T enough.

Oh of course that is exactly what I said.

You're also telling me that He didn't atone for all of your sins.

Right again.... Grade A for comprehension.

You're telling me that you deny your identity in Christ and claiming that you must establish your own righteousness.

Make that A+++ for comprehension.

In your theology you deny being hidden in Christ.

Oh yeah nice personal jargon vs biblical to understand there to make the issue clear on what is meant.

You also appear to be denying that the believer's righteousness is predicated upon justification and flows from the Lord Jesus Christ

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seriously I will be nice and leave you to your insanity of false doctrine that you have been walking toward for a while. you have false paradigms that are easil destroyed and he above point it true but you don't mean it is practical righteousness uno justification but a forensic acquittal.

Luke... all of the above is false doctrine.

yeah and is that based on your comprehension skills?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

LOL.. you are hilarious. Nice way of not listening ad taking things into YOUR reasoning vs what is said.




Oh of course that is exactly what I said.



Right again.... Grade A for comprehension.



Make that A+++ for comprehension.



Oh yeah nice personal jargon vs biblical to understand there to make the issue clear on what is meant.

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seriously I will be nice and leave you to your insanity of false doctrine that you have been walking toward for a while. you have false paradigms that are easil destroyed and he above point it true but you don't mean it is practical righteousness uno justification but a forensic acquittal.




yeah and is that based on your comprehension skills?

Luke, strengthen your argument by not going personal.

Did Jesus atone for all of your sins? Yes or no?
Is Christ's blood enough? Yes or no?
Is Christ your righteousness or must you stand in your own righteousness?
Does Christ's righteousness flow into your life, you overcoming through His imparted nature? Yes or no?
Were you justified by faith? Yes or no?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Luke, strengthen your argument by not going personal.

I am not personal I am making points on your points which are flat out horrible comprehension and not even in the realm of hearing to be nice.

Did Jesus atone for all of your sins? Yes or no?

Depends on what is meant. Did he atone for all types of sin? Yes
Did he atone for all sins that I would commit? If I believe and follow to the end the answer is yes. If not then no.

Is Christ's blood enough? Yes or no?

No! Grace is not a reality toward anyone by itself. Heb 5:9

Is Christ your righteousness or must you stand in your own righteousness?

The law upon the heart is my righteousness to do and be found faithful just as he did the Fathers and Abrahams also did and received by obedience.

Does Christ's righteousness flow into your life, you overcoming through His imparted nature? Yes or no?

Depends onwhat is meant. If you mean I recieve a acquittal of sin if I am IN sin.... NO! If you mean does the impartation of the law upon the heart which is the righeousness of which Christ speaks and walked by and is for us to overcome the flesh by walking by faith and being judged friends vs lawless? Yes!

Were you justified by faith? Yes or no?

I am justifed by faith which is contextual to his leading from beginning to end.