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Old 11-18-2009, 02:44 PM
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But what does that have to do with either of my questions?
Tell me what the purpose of God creating the world was...
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Tell me what the purpose of God creating the world was...
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Rev 4:11
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Old 11-18-2009, 02:49 PM
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Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Rev 4:11
That further proves my point. God didn't have a reason to create the world. He simply wanted to. What I'm asking for is the reason he wanted to create it?
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That further proves my point. God didn't have a reason to create the world. He simply wanted to. What I'm asking for is the reason he wanted to create it?
Relationship.

But, back to my question. What's the purpose of speaking in tongues?

Unless you're trying to relate what you're asking to what I'm asking, in which case just get to the point...lol I'm missing what the point may be, if you're trying to make one.
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Relationship.

But, back to my question. What's the purpose of speaking in tongues?

Unless you're trying to relate what you're asking to what I'm asking, in which case just get to the point...lol I'm missing what the point may be, if you're trying to make one.
So God lacked something before he created everything? I suppose he was lonely? I thought God never changed... I thought God couldn't lack anything...

The point I am making is that there is not and can be no reason for God to have wanted to create this earth. This shows that God can do things without a purpose attached to it. This means it is possible that tongues can accompany the Holy Ghost and not have any purpose.

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Re: Why do I have to speak in tongues?

This is from pages 61-65 of "The Holy Spirit and His Gifts" by Kenneth E. Hagin, copyright 1991

Chapter 9
Ten Reasons Why Every Believer Should Speak in Tongues

I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all
I Corinthians 14:18

The Apostle Paul wrote and spoke much about the subject of speaking with other tongues, and he apparently practiced what he preached for he said, “I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all” (1 Cor 14:18. I too, thank God that I speak in tongues regularly and I wish every believer would make this his habit and enjoy this same blessing and source of power in his everyday life.

The purpose of this particular lesson is to set forth ten reasons why every Christian should speak in tongues, and to help believers see the blessings that can be theirs through daily appropriating the power of the Holy Spirit in their lives.

Reason Number 1

The Word of God teaches that when we are filled with the Holy Ghost, we speak with other tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterance. As we have seen, speaking with tongues is an initial evidence or sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit: “And they were all FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST, and began to SPEAK WITH TONGUES, as the Spirit gave them utterance” (Acts 2:4).

In Acts 10, the brethren of the circumcision who had come with Peter to Cornelius’ household were astonished when they saw that the gift of the Holy Ghost was poured out on the Gentiles too. They thought salvation and the baptism of the Holy Ghost were just for the Jews.

How did these Jews know that Cornelius’ household had received the gift of the Holy Ghost? “For they HEARD THEM SPEAK WITH TONGUES, and magnify God...” (Acts 10:46). Speaking in tongues was the supernatural sign and initial evidence that convinced them that the Gentiles had the same gift they had.

Reason Number 2

Paul, in writing to the Church at Corinth, encouraged the Corinthian Christians to continue the practice of speaking with other tongues in their worship of God. He also encouraged them to speak in tongues in their individual prayer lives as a means of spiritual edification or building up. The Bible says, “He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself...” (I Cor 14:4). Jude 20 also links praying in tongues with building yourself up spiritually.

Jude 20
But ye, beloved, BUILDING UP YOURSELVES on your most holy faith, PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST.

Howard Carter, who was one of the Pentecostal world’s most renowned teachers on the subject of spiritual gifts, said we must not forget that speaking with other tongues is not only the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit’s infilling but is also a continual experience for the rest of one’s life.

For what purpose? To assist us in the worship of God. “Speaking in tongues,” Rev Carter said, “is a flowing stream that should never dry up and that will enrich one’s life spiritually.” (from page 120 of Questions and Answers on Spiritual Gifts, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Harrison House Inc. 1976)

The Apostle Paul said that speaking with tongues will edify or build us up spiritually. “For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries” (1 Cor 14:2)

Moffatt’s translation of this verse says, “...he is talking of divine secrets in the Spirit.” Paul was saying here that God has given to the church a divine, supernatural means of communication with Him.

Paul also stated in 1 Cor 14:14, “For if I pray in an unknown tongue, MY SPIRIT PRAYETH, but my understanding is unfruitful.” Notice he said “..my spirit prayeth...”

The Amplified Bible reads, “...my spirit, [by the Holy Spirit within me] prays...” God is a spirit. When you pray in tongues, your spirit is in direct contact with God, who is a Spirit. When you speak in tongues, you are talking to Him by divine, supernatural means.

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So God lacked something before he created everything? I suppose he was lonely? I thought God never changed... I thought God couldn't lack anything...

The point I am making is that there is not and can be no reason for God to have wanted to create the earth. This shows that God can do things without a purpose attached to it. This means it is possible that tongues can accompany the Holy Ghost and not have any purpose.
Ok.

I don't draw the same conclusions you do, but I see what you're saying now.
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Re: Why do I have to speak in tongues?

Reason Number 3

The third reason people should speak with other tongues is that tongues keeps us continually aware of the Holy Spirit’s indwelling Presence. Not only is speaking with tongues the initial sign or evidence of the Holy Spirit’s infilling, but continuing to pray and to worship God in tongues helps us to be ever conscious of His indwelling Presence. And if you are conscious of the indwelling Presence of the Holy Ghost every day, that is bound to affect the way you think and live.

I once heard an evangelist tell of an experience he had in a pastor’s home. As he walked into a room unexpectedly, he heard the pastor’s twelve year old daughter just throwing a fit. She had lost her temper and was bawling her mother out.

Suddenly she looked up and saw the evangelist. She stopped and put her head in her hands and began to cry. She said, “I am so sorry you saw me act this way and heard what I said.”

He said to her, “Honey, there is One who is greater than I am who heard you and saw you act that way. You are a Christian, aren’t you?”

“Yes,’” was her tearful reply.

“Filled with the Spirit?” he asked.

“Yes,” she answered.

“Well, the Holy Ghost is in you, and He knows what you said and how you acted,” he told her. “Just repent and the Lord will forgive you.” They prayed together and she repented. Then in a little while she began to worship God in tongues.

This evangelist then said to her “There is one secret that will help you curb your temper. If you will just pray and worship God every day in tongues, it will help you to be conscious of the indwelling Presence of the Holy Ghost.

Then he said, “If you will remember that the Holy Spirit is in you you won’t act that way. You were ashamed because I saw you lose your temper You were embarrassed because I heard you talk the way you did to your mother. But the Holy Ghost is greater than I am, and He saw and heard you too”

Some years later when this same evangelist returned to preach at that same church the pastor’s daughter told him, “I have never forgotten what you said Every day for the past few years I have prayed and worshipped God in tongues, and I have never lost my temper again.”

Unfortunately, we all know people who have been filled with the Holy Ghost, yet still lose their temper and say and do things they shouldn’t. It is because they have been walking in the flesh instead of in the Spirit, and they haven’t been fellowshipping with God as they should have been.

It is so easy, when you are not conscious of God’s Presence, t become aggravated and easily exasperated and to allow yourself to lose your temper. But if you will take time to fellowship with God by speaking in tongues, you can continually be conscious of God’s indwelling Presence.

Reason Number 4

Speaking in tongues eliminates the possibility of selfishness entering our prayer life. For instance, if I pray a prayer out of my own mind and out of my own thinking, it may be unscriptural. It may be selfish. Too many times our prayers are like the old farmer who always prayed, “God bless me, my wife, my son John, his wife --us four and no more.”

Paul wrote to the church at Rome, “...we know not what we should pray for as we ought...” (Rom 8:26). He didn’t say we didn’t know how to pray,because we do know how we are to pray. We are to pray to the Father in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ (John 16:23, 24).

That is the correct way to pray. But just because I know how to pray doesn’t mean that I know what to pray for as I ought. So Paul said, “...we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself [Himself] maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered” (Rom 8:26).

P.C. Nelson, a Greek scholar and the founder of Southwestern Bible Institute, said that the Greek in Romans 8:26 literally reads, “...the Holy Ghost maketh intercession for us in groanings that cannot be uttered in articulate speech.”

Articulate speech means your regular kind of speech. He went on to point out the the Greek stresses that this not only includes groanings escaping your lips in prayer, but also praying in other tongues. That agrees with what Paul said in 1 Cor 14:14, “For if I pray in an unknown tongue,my spirit prayeth...” The Amplified Bible says, “...my spirit [by the Holy Spirit within me] prays...”

People should be careful making fun of tongues, because when people make fun of tongues, they are making fun of the Holy Ghost. When you pray in tongues, it is your spirit praying by the Holy Spirit within you. It is the Holy Spirit within you giving you the utterance, and you are speaking from out of our spirit. You do the talking; the Holy Spirit gives the utterance.

By praying with groanings and with other tongues, the Holy Spirit is helping you to pray according to the will of God. --to pray as things should be prayed for. This isn’t something the Holy Ghost does apart from you. Those groanings that cannot be uttered in articulate speech come from inside of you --from your spirit-- and escape your own lips.

The Holy Ghost is not going to do your raying for you. He is sent to dwell in us as a Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, and Standby (John 14:16 Amplified). The Holy Spirit is not responsible for our prayer life. He is sent to help us pray. Speaking with other tongues is praying as the Spirit gives utterance it is Spirit-directed praying. It eliminates the possibility of selfishness in our prayers.

Many times when people have prayed out of their own minds, they have prayed for circumstances to change that were actually not the will of God were not best. If God’s people want things a certain way, even if it is not best for them or is not God’s will, He will often permit it.

For example, God id not want Israel to have a king, but they wanted one, so He permitted them to have one (1 Sam 8:4-7). But a king was not His perfect will for them.

Therefore, speaking in tongues eliminates selfishness and praying outside of the will of Go because when we pray in tongues, we are praying the perfect will of God.

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Re: Why do I have to speak in tongues?

Reason Number 5

The fifth reason believers should speak with tongues is that it helps them learn to trust God more fully. It builds one’s faith to speak in tongues. The Bible says, “...building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost” (Jude 20).

Speaking in tongues stimulates faith and helps us learn how to trust God more fully. For example, faith must be exercised to speak with tongues because the Holy Spirit supernaturally directs the words we speak. You see, we don’t know what the next word will be --we have to trust God for that. And trusting God in one area helps us learn to trust Him in another area.

As a young denominational minister I was pastor of a community church, and there was a fine Christian woman in our church who dearly loved the Lord. But she was afflicted in her body with sickness. She had an ulcerated stomach, and the doctors feared that it would lead to cancer of the stomach. Her husband made good money, but he had spent everything he had on doctor bills until finally they didn’t even own an automobile. He had spent thousands of dollars.

This woman received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and shortly after that I visited in their home again. I noticed that she could eat almost anything, whereas before she could eat only a little baby food and milk, and had even had difficulty keeping that in her stomach.

She told me, “I not only received the baptism of the Holy Ghost and spoke with other tongues, but I received my healing as well. I am perfectly healed.”

I have seen this happen many times. What is the connection? We know that receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost doesn’t heal you. However, speaking with tongues helps you to learn how to trust God more fully in other areas of life --including in the area of healing.

Reason Number 6

The sixth reason every Christian ought to regularly speak in tongues is that speaking in tongues is a means of keeping us free from the contamination of the ungodly and profane elements of the world. For example, there is much vulgar talk that goes on around us on the job or out in public. But we can speak in tongues to ourselves (1 Cor 14:28).

In other words, if you can speak in tongues to yourself and to God in church, then you can speak in tongues on the job, too, in a way that won’t disturb anyone. In the barber shops, for instance, if the men are telling jokes that are not edifying, I just sit there quietly and speak to myself and to God in tongues.

Riding the train, bus or airplane, you can speak to yourself and to God. On the job you can speak to yourself and to God. Speaking in tongues to yourself and to God is a means of keeping yourself free from the contamination of the world.

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I don't draw the same conclusions you do, but I see what you're saying now.
So what conclusions do you draw?
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