Islam vs. Christianity Part 1

[Thomas Trini]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Hahahaha...

You're the one who said that the OT laws (all of them) still apply today. OK. Then have you touched your wife in any way since your daughter was born? It's a valid question, because according to Old Testament laws, your wife is unclean for 80 days after your daughter was born (I had to write a 10 page paper on this specific text in Bible College). Furthermore, when are you going to bring the required sacrifice to the Lord (such as two turtledoves) to the altar as an offering to The Lord (for boys, it's 40 days that the woman is unclean). So have you even kissed or hugged her since your daughter's birth within less than 80 days of that birth? I'm sure you have. You're the one who wants to live under Old Testament laws. Fine. You never answered whether you have or not.
As to whether something is in Corinthians or Leviticus, what I was saying (or attempting to) is that much of the New Testament quotes the Old Testament, or makes very strikingly similar references to it. For example, John 1:1 is strikingly similar to Genesis 1:1. Many have also noted that John 3:16 and 1st John 3:16 are almost identical. "Come out and be separate" can be found in more places than just Corinthians. "Touch not the unclean thing" is also found in Leviticus. As to memorizing texts, I still have far to go, and most of the texts I have memorized have to do with the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity, not rules and regulations. Like I said, there are over 300 commandments within the Bible. Memorizing them all isn't easy.
I agree with you that not all of Iran's nuclear capabilities came with a stamp saying "Made by Muhammed Muhammed Muhammed, Inc., Tehran, Iran." Not all Europeans are smart enough to believe that Islam is a poisonous religion preaching hatred, and actually buy into all the PC nonsense. I doubt if we even know where all the nukes in Pakistan are, or even Pakistan itself knows. Even our own President is stupid enough to embark on an "Apology Tour." Don't think we'll ever see an Islamic Apology Tour by your leaders, because they don't believe in making apologies for anything.
BTW, better not play any musical instruments over there in sunny Saudi land. That's a violation as well. Perhaps Muslims don't have any sense of rhythm, doo-wop or beat (except when hitting their wives, who, according to Islamic beliefs, are intelectually inferior to men). Most other Muslims just aspire to be like OJ Simpson, and slice the necks off of other people, like OJ did his wife. Many of their men over here also back when Muslims attempt to intimidate blacks. Guess you haven't seen that yet.

[Walks_in_islam]

Bleh

Originally Posted by Thomas Trini

You're the one who said that the OT laws (all of them) still apply today. OK. Then have you touched your wife in any way since your daughter was born? It's a valid question, because according to Old Testament laws, your wife is unclean for 80 days after your daughter was born (I had to write a 10 page paper on this specific text in Bible College).

um......we're Muslim. Those scriptures apply to YOU. And once again, you do not know your own Bible. Perhaps in bible college you should have just studied the bible instead of worked up theories about multiple gods which in ALL books is the gravest sin (I am always sorry to hear when someone wastes his or her entire life) Lev 12 says "she will be unclean 7 days" (man child) or "14 days" female child. Both Islam and the bible teach that you are not to pester your wife for sexual relations during her menstrual time or after childbirth. Neither book says you cannot hug, touch, or kiss your wife. What the book actually SAYS is She shall not touch anything holy, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying are completed and that is the reference to the 40 days, etc YOU added the part about kiss/hug/etc but you have lots of stuff to say on your own that directly contradicts your own bible and I take great amusement to point them out to you.

Furthermore, when are you going to bring the required sacrifice to the Lord (such as two turtledoves) to the altar as an offering to The Lord (for boys, it's 40 days that the woman is unclean). So have you even kissed or hugged her since your daughter's birth within less than 80 days of that birth? I'm sure you have. You're the one who wants to live under Old Testament laws. Fine. You never answered whether you have or not.

You are answered. And the requirement is a sheep and it is to be killed and given to the needy. FYI Next time ask a question that comes from real words from real verses not your 20 page 'bible college interpretation' of those verses.

As to whether something is in Corinthians or Leviticus, what I was saying (or attempting to) is that much of the New Testament quotes the Old Testament, or makes very strikingly similar references to it. For example, John 1:1 is strikingly similar to Genesis 1:1. Many have also noted that John 3:16 and 1st John 3:16 are almost identical. "Come out and be separate" can be found in more places than just Corinthians. "Touch not the unclean thing" is also found in Leviticus.

So? Is your point still that old testament verses that are still stated in the new testament invalid or not? All you did was stumble into a (clever, well-set) trap where you first said that the "new law" is in the "new testament" then when I pointed out only one (there are others) you then started saying "well the new testament writers quoted the old testament" BUT "old testament law is levitical law and does not apply". Fine. Don't follow it. It's your life dude.

As to memorizing texts, I still have far to go, and most of the texts I have memorized have to do with the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity, not rules and regulations. Like I said, there are over 300 commandments within the Bible. Memorizing them all isn't easy.

What is the Holy Trinity? A logical way to break the "put no gods before me" commandment?

I agree with you that not all of Iran's nuclear capabilities came with a stamp saying "Made by Muhammed Muhammed Muhammed, Inc., Tehran, Iran."

You're close on this one. Replace "not all of" with "none of" and you will be accurate.

Not all Europeans are smart enough to believe that Islam is a poisonous religion preaching hatred, and actually buy into all the PC nonsense. I doubt if we even know where all the nukes in Pakistan are, or even Pakistan itself knows. Even our own President is stupid enough to embark on an "Apology Tour." Don't think we'll ever see an Islamic Apology Tour by your leaders, because they don't believe in making apologies for anything.

(laughing) Whether YOU like it or not MY president spoke yesterday.

BTW, better not play any musical instruments over there in sunny Saudi land. That's a violation as well. Perhaps Muslims don't have any sense of rhythm, doo-wop or beat (except when hitting their wives, who, according to Islamic beliefs, are intelectually inferior to men). Most other Muslims just aspire to be like OJ Simpson, and slice the necks off of other people, like OJ did his wife. Many of their men over here also back when Muslims attempt to intimidate blacks. Guess you haven't seen that yet.

<yawn> No answer on that russian thing? <plucka plucka BWACKKKKK> I was expecting some tough talk on behalf of "your" navy. Did I mention that I visited you guys yesterday? I scooted over to Bahrain. OH, the "future terrorist's" uncle is an Admiral. lol Guess you never know. Anyway, you missed a chance to "find me". Shame.

[Walks_in_islam]

here we go again

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wrong. Mentioning praying or worshiping something ON an alter is distasteful

Never said you worshipped something ON an alter. Said you built them, walked down to them, kneel at them, and pray at them. Also noted that they are symbolic of holy places. SOMETHING about that was distasteful because I dropped it and you are still bringing it up.

No. We can out pray a muslim any day. Reciting a prayer someone else wrote over and over and over and over and over like robots is distasteful

You can certainly out-raise funds lol. I am not sure about that praying thing

Wrong again. And when we fast we don't do it like mindless zombies.

OH, we just fast. The "mindless zombie" comment is part of your "we don't call names" campaign I am sure. I am also sure that though I get "warned" for "name calling" you never will. lol. You are not hypocrites either (that is not a name I specifically said you are NOT) lol

You finally got one right. We despise the idea of giving by force. We give because we WANT to

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It is force if ANY bible commandment is force. It's sad you see it as "force" though.

God loves a cheerful giver. Nobody holds a gun to our head

huh? You actually believe there is a gun to my head dude? lol

That much is clear...you don't really read what others are saying. You read your own false ideas into what we post.

ditto but actually I post YEARS of your teachings and discrepencies right back at you. YOUR teachings on my beliefs on the other hand are limited to "white power hate brown people" articles on the internet. lol

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

here we go again
Never said you worshipped something ON an alter. Said you built them, walked down to the, kneel at them, and pray at them. Also noted that they are symbolic of holy places. SOMETHING about that was distasteful because I dropped it and you are still bringing it up.

I didn't say you said we worshipped something ON the alter. Nor are they necessarily symbolic of anything. They are simply a place where the church gathers at the end of a service to pray in unity. And no it's not distasteful. You brought it up. I'm addressing what you said

You can certainly out-raise funds lol. I am not sure about that praying thing

Well tell you what, if you come back to the states call up a local Pentecostal church and ask when they have their prayer meetings and go join them while you pray to Allah.

OH, we just fast. The "mindless zombie" comment is part of your "we don't call names" campaign I am sure. I am also sure that though I get "warned" for "name calling" you never will. lol. You are not hypocrites either (that is not a name I specifically said you are NOT) lol

If you don't like it don't start with your comments about us. For your information we fast quite often. We just don't have a special "month". Where do you get the idea that prayer and fasting is distasteful?
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It is force if ANY bible commandment is force. It's sad you see it as "force" though.

You're the one that brought up MANDATORY giving. Again God loves a cheerful giver.

We pray. We fast and we give.

huh? You actually believe there is a gun to my head dude? lol

You are the one that keeps bringing up "mandatory" stuff.

[Walks_in_islam]

Perhaps we have a misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't say you said we worshipped something ON the alter. Nor are they necessarily symbolic of anything. They are simply a place where the church gathers at the end of a service to pray in unity. And no it's not distasteful. You brought it up. I'm addressing what you said

a place where the church gathers to pray in unity is EXACTLY what I said about the Kabaa. But, When we do it it is idolatry. When you do it even though it is the same thing all heathons did to all gods I actually do not consider it idolatry. I consider it merely symbolic of a place to pray in unity.

Well tell you what, if you come back to the states call up a local Pentecostal church and ask when they have their prayer meetings and go join them while you pray to Allah.

Last time I saw a group of pennycostals they were having a halloween party. The time before that I saw a group of pennycostal kids groping each other while they played lazer-tag. Neither time did I observe praying. Muslim kids don't run around in public groping each other nor do we celebrate halloween. I am afraid we have to pass on that pennycostal thing. lol We are more conservative I guess.

If you don't like it don't start with your comments about us. For your information we fast quite often. We just don't have a special "month". Where do you get the idea that prayer and fasting is distasteful?

It is the defensive "auto-reply" that I get every time I bring it up. Perhaps it is "regular" prayer and "regular" fasting that is distasteful?

You're the one that brought up MANDATORY giving. Again God loves a cheerful giver.

We pray. We fast and we give.

You also celebrate halloween and your pennycostal kids are out groping each other in public. That reflect my last couple of observations lol

You are the one that keeps bringing up "mandatory" stuff.

Only if direct quotes from the bible are "mandatory". Listen, you are arguing a point as to whether what the bible actually says with actual words is mandatory. I would kindly suggest that you settle that within your own conscience and among your own selves. I said that we consider the written words in the Quran as mandatory. I then put written words from the bible and suggested that they are mandatory as well. Whether you literally interpret those words and apply them to your own lives is certainly, with no gun to your head, your choice. Being critical of those who do apply those words especially when they are in your own book seems kind of silly to me. What I INTERPRET from that is that the christian faith has less to do with the actual words in the bible and more to do with "alikeness" and "shared views". This may explain why the faith splits and splits and splits over the years. Leave that to another discussion.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Perhaps we have a misunderstanding.

We will see

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't say you said we worshipped something ON the alter. Nor are they necessarily symbolic of anything. They are simply a place where the church gathers at the end of a service to pray in unity. And no it's not distasteful. You brought it up. I'm addressing what you said

a place where the church gathers to pray in unity is EXACTLY what I said about the Kabaa. But, When we do it it is idolatry. When you do it even though it is the same thing all heathons did to all gods I actually do not consider it idolatry. I consider it merely symbolic of a place to pray in unity.

The difference is you face the Kaaba. You face an object, where ever you are at in the world you face it. We do not face the platform where ever we are at. When I pray at home, I do not face it. When I am at church by myself praying I do not face it. Heathens face an alter dedicated to other gods...the meaning of the word alter is a different meaning. And often there is an idol of worship ON the alter. They are facing an alter because it shows devotion to their god. They are facing an alter because it represents their god. You really are misunderstanding. We call it an alter, not because it represents a god. Not because there is an object of worship on it. We call it an alter or an alter area simply because it is a gathering place to pray, not because we are objectifying a platform

Well tell you what, if you come back to the states call up a local Pentecostal church and ask when they have their prayer meetings and go join them while you pray to Allah.

Oh Mutts DO in fact grope...they rape women. In many foreign countries they engage in beastiality to practice (I can provide you with the information if you like). Mutt kids have done a LOT of things that I am sure you would be ashamed of. including homosexual acts. As for conservtive, again you don't have a clue who and what you are dealing with. I saw a muslim picking his nose...was that prayer? How stupid can you be? Are all muslims the same? Are they all terrorists? Why not find a Pentecostal church that is conservative and again ask to join their prayer meetings.

If you don't like it don't start with your comments about us. For your information we fast quite often. We just don't have a special "month". Where do you get the idea that prayer and fasting is distasteful?

It is the defensive "auto-reply" that I get every time I bring it up. Perhaps it is "regular" prayer and "regular" fasting that is distasteful?

Again, clueless. We regularly pray and fast. We don't have to wait for a special month either. It's NOT distasteful. That is my point. You don't read what is being posted.

You're the one that brought up MANDATORY giving. Again God loves a cheerful giver.

We pray. We fast and we give.

You also celebrate halloween and your pennycostal kids are out groping each other in public. That reflect my last couple of observations lol

No I do not. Nor do we sanction the rape and murder of a sister just because she was gang raped by a bunch of Mutts...we blame the rapists, not the victim. And no our kids are not out groping each other and certainly not any more than Mutts are having sex with goats

You are the one that keeps bringing up "mandatory" stuff.

Only if direct quotes from the bible are "mandatory". Listen, you are arguing a point as to whether what the bible actually says with actual words is mandatory. I would kindly suggest that you settle that within your own conscience and among your own selves. I said that we consider the written words in the Quran as mandatory. I then put written words from the bible and suggested that they are mandatory as well. Whether you literally interpret those words and apply them to your own lives is certainly, with no gun to your head, your choice. Being critical of those who do apply those words especially when they are in your own book seems kind of silly to me. What I INTERPRET from that is that the christian faith has less to do with the actual words in the bible and more to do with "alikeness" and "shared views". This may explain why the faith splits and splits and splits over the years. Leave that to another discussion.

Again, you give because it is mandatory. We give out of love and devotion to God, either it is mandatory or not

[Praxeas]

Here...I know our Mutt won't read it, but I am sure the Pennycostals and non-Pennycostals will

http://www2.rz.hu-berlin.de/sexology...MIDDLEEAST.HTM

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here check this out.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24329

[Scott Hutchinson]

Check it out.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/

[Walks_in_islam]

I guess in addition to other things like halloween parties and groping the "holiness pentecostals" have something else going in those churches.

You like waving headlines at me? We tried this before. There are far, far, far more to find from christian churches and I won't search the entire world like you have to do. These are today's for your enjoyment.

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Check it out.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/

Yeah check it out:

FORT WAYNE, Ind. (Indiana's NewsCenter) - A Fort Wayne pastor and businessman is accused of stealing money from the accounts of developmentally disabled adults living in group homes that he oversees. 56-year-old Ernest Beal, junior is charged with one-count of felony theft.

CENTER HILL -- A former youth pastor was charged with four counts of sexual battery Tuesday, on accusations he had a four-year sexual relationship with a teen-aged member of the church. Jose Alfredo Coronado, 38, of Center Hill, was arrested at his job at the Sumter County Supervisor of Elections office. He is being held at the Sumter County jail in lieu of $120,000 bail.

A pastor for the Church of God of Prophecy in Salt Lake City faces felony charges for allegedly exposing himself on the Internet and asking a police officer posing as a minor sexually explicit questions. The pastor faces four third-degree felony charges of attempted dealing in material harmful to a minor after an investigation by the Utah Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) task force. The 67-year-old was in a chat room when he asked the questions and exposed himself on a Web camera, according to a news release from the Utah Attorney General's Office. This occurred several times, including once while he was using the Internet while visiting his wife in the hospital, the release said.

REIDSVILLE, N.C. -- A Reidsville man is in jail after police said a 15-year-old girl said he had sexual dealings with her. Rockingham County sheriff's deputies said 56-year-old Gary Thomas Wheeler had sex with the teenager since early 2009. Wheeler told deputies he is a self employed painter and pastor of a Pentecostal Holiness Church in Rockingham County.

MIAMI, May 19 (UPI) -- U.S. officials say a Florida pastor led a real estate money laundering operation on behalf of Miami cocaine dealers. A federal indictment unsealed Monday in Miami alleged Garry Souffrant, 33, identified as the pastor of God First Ministries in Miami Gardens, Fla