Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

The world of reaching people who need Christ can get messy, Jason. And I absolutely would attend an abortion so I could be there to comfort them, love them, pray for them, feed them, hold them, cry with them, and help them heal when the reality set in of what they had just done.

I'd also try to help her understand why well-meaning but unwise and poorly strategized Christians were outside the abortion clinic yelling "Baby-killer" at her.

You totally beat me to it. Pretty much word for word what I was going to write.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

For too long the Apostolic identity has had the theme song- Hold the Fort for I am Coming as opposed the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church.

I remember a time when churches taught their kids should not go to college for they might lose their faith in face of agnostic professors.

My kids are taught better, and my God is not that small.

First off, apostolic identity doesn't mean anything to me. Neither does self righteous phariseeical dress standards, nor any of the other UPC target buzz words being directed at me.

Why, Bro. James, does taking a stand against homosexuality make my God "small"?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

The world of reaching people who need Christ can get messy, Jason. And I absolutely would attend an abortion so I could be there to comfort them, love them, pray for them, feed them, hold them, cry with them, and help them heal when the reality set in of what they had just done.

I'd also try to help her understand why well-meaning but unwise and poorly strategized Christians were outside the abortion clinic yelling "Baby-killer" at her.

I absolutely would attend an abortion so I could be there to comfort them, love them, pray for them, feed them, hold them, cry with them,

... I hope you mean the baby too since a number are born alive.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

For too long the Apostolic identity has had the theme song- Hold the Fort for I am Coming as opposed the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church.

I remember a time when churches taught their kids should not go to college for they might lose their faith in face of agnostic professors.

My kids are taught better, and my God is not that small.

It's ironic, isn't it, that we can get an audience running the aisles screaming, "Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world" and then live our lives in fear of that mean ole devil and those awful people working for him.

It's interesting that you mention the "Gates of hell" statement from Jesus. Gates are meant to keep people out and the picture that Jesus painted would put The Church in the position of assaulting hell, not running from it.

And Jesus' assault weapon of choice, was love.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

First off, apostolic identity doesn't mean anything to me. Neither does self righteous phariseeical dress standards, nor any of the other UPC target buzz words being directed at me.

Why, Bro. James, does taking a stand against homosexuality make my God "small"?

Did not reference taking a stand against it. I have said repeatedly throughout this thread it is a lifestyle that will send you to hell just as readily as murder, or adultery, or idol worship or any of the other plethora of things mentioned by name in the NT.

Smallness only comes into the equation with FEAR of.... I believe that Holy Ghost filled saints (including young people) will influence the sinner, NOT the other way around.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

My concern is that people who have an agenda will attempt to influence my children, undermine my advice (which is Bible based-homsexuality is a sin, not an acceptable alternative lifestyle) and encourage them to "experiement" or whatever. These type of things are uncommon, at this point, but to act like these things have not happened even in our current society andwithin the public school systems even now is ignorance.

Influence them? Influence them how? To be gay?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

It's ironic, isn't it, that we can get an audience running the aisles screaming, "Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world" and then live our lives in fear of that mean ole devil and those awful people working for him.

It's interesting that you mention the "Gates of hell" statement from Jesus. Gates are meant to keep people out and the picture that Jesus painted would put The Church in the position of assaulting hell, not running from it.

And Jesus' assault weapon of choice, was love.

Considered this Facebooked.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

The world of reaching people who need Christ can get messy, Jason. And I absolutely would attend an abortion so I could be there to comfort them, love them, pray for them, feed them, hold them, cry with them, and help them heal when the reality set in of what they had just done.

I'd also try to help her understand why well-meaning but unwise and poorly strategized Christians were outside the abortion clinic yelling "Baby-killer" at her.

Sorry, I woudn't attend, does that mean you love people more than me? Buy yourself a plaque.

Just because I wouldn't attend doesn't mean I don't love the person. I would plea with the person not to do it, warn them they will regret it all their lives, and tell them it IS SIN.

HOWEVER if dispite all of my advice they did it anyway, I would still love that person. Some things I can't say because I'm using my real name, but I am very close to some people who have had abortions, and NEVER NOT ONCE have I condemned them for it. Not once have I screamed "baby-killer" at them.

You guys seem to not understand the difference between seperating the sin from the sinner. IN your zeal to love the sinner, you accept the sin. No you don't PROMOTE IT as something everyone ought to do, but your tolerant, which in reality is simply acceptance.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I absolutely would attend an abortion so I could be there to comfort them, love them, pray for them, feed them, hold them, cry with them,

... I hope you mean the baby too since a number are born alive.

I would leave that to the doctors. I don't have the medical expertise to help with that. Not sure what your point is, anyway.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Influence them? Influence them how? To be gay?

That is the agenda, yes. I teach my children from the Word, and discuss such things with them as need be, so that they may have the wisdom to make the right choice when the difficult times come. HOWEVER for many parents (christian or otherwise) who are not as dilligent there are certainly those in the homosexual movement who seek to evangelize their children to the cause.

It starts out with "tolerance" groups i public schools. And those promoting tolerance, often times end up getting sucked into the homosexual or bi-sexual lifestyle as an young person, and the fact is this is nothing but deception by Satan. Go ahead and jump on that last line.