Tithing…Is it a command?

[shazeep]

yes, i would agree there--but i'm not really even grasping the concept, i guess. Surely you mean 'coerced,' yes?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well, practice what you preach...Tithing is theft(forced giving to be a disciple, or EXTORTION)....

Yes I do preach what I practiced, I tithed.

[Sean]

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE that teaches tithing is mandatory for New Testament believers is practicing extortion.

It does not matter how well known or powerful they are or were in the eyes of men, they are or were extortionists.

They have stripped the fellow saints resources for the so called, work of God for their lifetime and in reality, ran off more folks than can ever be imagined. Their churches have become revolving doors to "thinking" saints that become aware of these scams.

I hope, in this information age we live in, people will begin to rise up against this doctrine and force the ministry to repent of this doctrine(if everyone together would just say "no more", they will have to stop teaching it, or just send their whole church to hell). THEN GOD WILL SEND REVIVAL TO A LOST WORLD AND OUR CHURCHES WILL BE STANDING ROOM ONLY...

[shag]

"Then" God will send revival "?

I'm thinking a step in the right direction...But "the church" has plenty more issues than tithing hindering revival, which is really simply Spiritual awakening'/recessitation of the body of Christ (which no doubt would result in spreading the gospel to the lost etc)

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE that teaches tithing is mandatory for New Testament believers is practicing extortion.

It does not matter how well known or powerful they are or were in the eyes of men, they are or were extortionists.

They have stripped the fellow saints resources for the so called, work of God for their lifetime and in reality, ran off more folks than can ever be imagined. Their churches have become revolving doors to "thinking" saints that become aware of these scams.

I hope, in this information age we live in, people will begin to rise up against this doctrine and force the ministry to repent of this doctrine(if everyone together would just say "no more", they will have to stop teaching it, or just send their whole church to hell). THEN GOD WILL SEND REVIVAL TO A LOST WORLD AND OUR CHURCHES WILL BE STANDING ROOM ONLY...

Right on!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shag

"Then" God will send revival "?

I'm thinking a step in the right direction...But "the church" has plenty more issues than tithing hindering revival, which is really simply Spiritual awakening'/recessitation of the body of Christ (which no doubt would result in spreading the gospel to the lost etc)

Brother, cutting the umbilical cord of tithing will remove the hirelings, and replace it with sincere ministers that would just do the ministry by faith. It would create a new ministry of volunteer elders to teach and facilitate the task of reaching the lost. Most importantly, it will eliminate the bitter taste the world has of the church that all they want is their money....

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, cutting the umbilical cord of tithing will remove the hirelings, and replace it with sincere ministers that would just do the ministry by faith. It would create a new ministry of volunteer elders to teach and facilitate the task of reaching the lost. Most importantly, it will eliminate the bitter taste the world has of the church that all they want is their money....

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, cutting the umbilical cord of tithing will remove the hirelings, and replace it with sincere ministers that would just do the ministry by faith. It would create a new ministry of volunteer elders to teach and facilitate the task of reaching the lost. Most importantly, it will eliminate the bitter taste the world has of the church that all they want is their money....

All we want is their money?

Ha ha ha that is surely funny. I am a Computer Systems Engineer. If I wanted money, I certainly would not be in the ministry? I do not need other people's money, If I wanted money I would simply leave the ministry and focus more on my career and presto.

Come on give me a break.

[shazeep]

Neither of my last two Right Pastors accepted any pay; i did not know this in either case when led to them. hmm.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

All we want is their money?

Ha ha ha that is surely funny. I am a Computer Systems Engineer. If I wanted money, I certainly would not be in the ministry? I do not need other people's money, If I wanted money I would simply leave the ministry and focus more on my career and presto.

Come on give me a break.

Then why do you demand folks give you 10% of their income to be in right standing with God?

If you are well off, why do you expect them to continue giving you 10% if their income while they scrape to earn a living and pay bills?

Are you above them, that they must pay you dividends to stand up and teach them a Bible study that you love to do anyway?

You my brother are extorting our Lords' precious saints(your equals) into giving a "salvation tax" to you that has been completely fabricated into New Testament doctrine.(it is a flat out weekly lie to the congregation of the Lords' saints) Colossians 3:9-10
9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

Your premise comes from the book of Malachi(the law) and you shove it down their throat every time you quote it during offering.

If I took that doctrine to my grave, I would not expect to be received into heaven. Grace does not "cover" teaching the law to those that have been "freed" from the law.

The Bible calls false teachers or belivers in false teaching, "sinners".... James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


With this passage in mind, you salvation is hanging on by a thread if you continue to teach tithing to your fellow brethren, no matter what your elders say.(a consensus of opinions(ministers) does not change the mind of the Lord and make a doctrine legitimate. The most powerfully influential Christian minister in the world(pope) has 1.6 billion followers, and he is no more saved than the man in the moon.)