Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by sandie

Or having to parse words.

I still wonder what ministers would do if faced with having to marry a homosexual couple or face the law?

As a pastor who befriends many gay people, I've been asked to perform gay weddings. I can tell you what I've done, if you're interested.

If I were "required"? I would hope that every pastor would act according to his convictions.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

As a pastor who befriends many gay people, I've been asked to perform gay weddings. I can tell you what I've done, if you're interested.
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I'm interested (even though it is actually none of my business).

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I suppose if the question is, "Will it EVER happen?" Who knows. Maybe so. I guess anything is possible if one looks hundreds of years into the future. But I don't see it under our current civil structure.

I know we value our religious freedom in this country, but has the gospel ever depended on a nation's freedom to be heard? I don't think so. In my flesh, I'm concerned about my freedoms. In my spirit, I don't care.

It actually literally HAS already happened. In Canada and Switzerland there have already been trials where merely speaking against homosexuality was considered a CRIME.

It is NOT hundreds of years in the future before it is here it is likely a dozen or so if that.

I suppose as an attorney I am a little closer to the flow of the jurisprudence.

The supreme court and federal courts the past few years have done terrifying things that the public at large has no appreciation of, for instance sanctioning looking a FOREIGN law to interpret correct action under our constitution.

The speed with which California has granted favored status, and the depth and breadth of anti-Christian sentiment within the judicial system.

We are on a slippery slope of that there is no doubt.

But for purposes of this thread repeal of DADT is just the wrong boogie man

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

It actually literally HAS already happened. In Canada and Switzerland there have already been trials where merely speaking against homosexuality was considered a CRIME.

It is NOT hundreds of years in the future before it is here it is likely a dozen or so if that.

I suppose as an attorney I am a little closer to the flow of the jurisprudence.

The supreme court and federal courts the past few years have done terrifying things that the public at large has no appreciation of, for instance sanctioning looking a FOREIGN law to interpret correct action under our constitution.

The speed with which California has granted favored status, and the depth and breadth of anti-Christian sentiment within the judicial system.

We are on a slippery slope of that there is no doubt.

But for purposes of this thread repeal of DADT is just the wrong boogie man

I understand other countries. I believe our culture here is much different, but I will admit that the numbers here are greatly changing. "Christ-Faith" has dropped one percent each year for the past 22+ years. Christianity is on the decline. But getting to the point where pulpit content is controlled? It seems we're a LONG way from that. But like I said, I reserve the right to be wrong.

I wasn't saying it was only possible hundreds of years from now, just saying that anything can happen if one looks far enough into the future.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Sam

I'm interested (even though it is actually none of my business).

It has been a very touchy thing and when gay marriage was legalized here, I was immediately asked. They know I'm a "Friendly."

But they also expected me to refuse but wanted to give me the opportunity first. I first asked for time to consider it and then met with them and told that I love, support, and embrace them completely as individuals and nothing could ever change that. However, my view of scripture hasn't changed and I couldn't violate my conscience. However, I asked to be invited to the wedding. I attended and my wife and I took gifts. We have continued to be in friendship with them and have not cut off the lines of communication and ministry.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

As a pastor who befriends many gay people, I've been asked to perform gay weddings. I can tell you what I've done, if you're interested.

If I were "required"? I would hope that every pastor would act according to his convictions.

Lol! Every pastor support his conviction? Like there is a multiplicity of right stances? I think not. Those who are inspired by satan to support such abominations - I would "hope" they would repent of their evil ways.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

It has been a very touchy thing and when gay marriage was legalized here, I was immediately asked. They know I'm a "Friendly."

But they also expected me to refuse but wanted to give me the opportunity first. I first asked for time to consider it and then met with them and told that I love, support, and embrace them completely as individuals and nothing could ever change that. However, my view of scripture hasn't changed and I couldn't violate my conscience. However, I asked to be invited to the wedding. I attended and my wife and I took gifts. We have continued to be in friendship with them and have not cut off the lines of communication and ministry.

Thank you.

Two things come to mind:
being wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove
and
speaking the truth in love

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

It actually literally HAS already happened. In Canada and Switzerland there have already been trials where merely speaking against homosexuality was considered a CRIME.

It is NOT hundreds of years in the future before it is here it is likely a dozen or so if that.

I suppose as an attorney I am a little closer to the flow of the jurisprudence.

The supreme court and federal courts the past few years have done terrifying things that the public at large has no appreciation of, for instance sanctioning looking a FOREIGN law to interpret correct action under our constitution.

The speed with which California has granted favored status, and the depth and breadth of anti-Christian sentiment within the judicial system.

We are on a slippery slope of that there is no doubt.

But for purposes of this thread repeal of DADT is just the wrong boogie man

So even if any of our Justices are Christians they will follow the Constitution or the law, leaving out their personal belief system?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

It has been a very touchy thing and when gay marriage was legalized here, I was immediately asked. They know I'm a "Friendly."

But they also expected me to refuse but wanted to give me the opportunity first. I first asked for time to consider it and then met with them and told that I love, support, and embrace them completely as individuals and nothing could ever change that. However, my view of scripture hasn't changed and I couldn't violate my conscience. However, I asked to be invited to the wedding. I attended and my wife and I took gifts. We have continued to be in friendship with them and have not cut off the lines of communication and ministry.

Couldn't going with gifts be taken as approval???

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Cindy

So even if any of our Justices are Christians they will follow the Constitution or the law, leaving out their personal belief system?

Not totally sure I understand the question sweetie. Are you asking whether or not a justice should follow the constitution even when it goes against their personal value system?