Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

amen. i have said multiple times that someone carrying their cross is by definition not peering into store windows, or remarking upon others' doctrine, which btw we are plainly advised not to debate, many times.

You cannot agree if you speak about equality to Paul, betraying a works-based salvation. And you cannot agree if you equate salvation by works to be as mere an issue as incest either. You hurl an axe at the foot of the tree of the cross when you think applying the truth of the need fro the cross to a person's religion is judging.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, i completely agree with you, except i never said Muslims were saved; i said that stating "All Muslims are lost" is a reflection of one's heart that indicates they are not following Christ (perhaps just in that one area, perhaps not), and which might be negated by the Qur'an's "Those who do not follow Christ's example are doomed" paraphrased.

Sorry, you cannot have it both ways. Jesus told us to teach his word and warn the sinner of his way. You invalidate all that.

And by all means, espouse exclusivity, superiority, and hate, if you want to concentrate on that stuff.

How blind can we be when people obey the command to warn sinners of God's word on issues and we call it hate and superiority? It's the same confusion people use when they say the bible is homophobic and hateful because it condemns homosexuality. You done got the current spirit of the world!

Ignore all those who have left this forum already, and provide justifications for yourself as to why this might be. Appoint yourself guardian of the Gospel, if you imagine that Christ needs your protection, or think that you are serving God by dwelling on others' sins.

Again you judge.

Again you confuse repeating the word with creating a judgment call.

To everything is a purpose, and a time. I would only suggest that you do not be blind to the consequences--the Bible belt gets the most porn clicks, and the most homosexual porn clicks; Deviant marriage is now a Christian Institution; your sanctioned leaders loot the country in the name of Quantitative Easing; Haaretz calls Israel a "pedophiles paradise."

Keep condemning Muslims--you are winning!

Again, God made the call. I only said what he did. Classic case of killing the messenger since something inside does not like the message of the cross.

You said it all when you compared salvation by works with incest.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Why laugh, how are firearms a problem? Are keyboards a problem because YOU misspell words?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, i completely agree with you, except i never said Muslims were saved;

You did, because you said they were not "all" lost, therefore it can only be taken that you believe that "some" Muslims are saved.

Originally Posted by shazeep

i said that stating "All Muslims are lost" is a reflection of one's heart that indicates they are not following Christ (perhaps just in that one area, perhaps not), and which might be negated by the Qur'an's "Those who do not follow Christ's example are doomed" paraphrased.

If they follow the Quran, they are also admonished to follow the Hadiths, therefore they are following another Gospel, another Jesus, and therefore don't share in any Christian salvation.

Hence they are lost

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You did, because you said they were not "all" lost, therefore it can only be taken that you believe that "some" Muslims are saved.




If they follow the Quran, they are also admonished to follow the Hadiths, therefore they are following another Gospel, another Jesus, and therefore don't share in any Christian salvation.

Hence they are lost

He judges by saying we judge. That's a circular self-contradicting argument that is hypocritical, classically doing what he preaches to others to not do. The mindset is confusion. Babylon. It robs scriptures of their entire point:

Eze 3:17-19 KJV Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. (18) When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. (19) Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

God said WHEN I SAY THOU SHALT DIE, we are to REPEAT THAT WARNING. That makes GOD the judge, not us. This is a non-existent situation according to Shazeep. He does not see any possible way GOD WILL MAKE A CALL of death, and we merely repeat it. He says WE make the call, not God when we repeat what God said. He DESTROYS the whole POINT of that instruction from God!


Eze 33:8 KJV When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

But since Shaz thinks we're saved by works, then he would not consider someone wicked who was steeped in good works but did not seek salvation from the work of the cross.

2Ti 4:2 KJV Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

But the word is also true...

Pro 9:8 KJV Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

Hey, shazeep, you must never sing, "What can wash away my sins, Nothing but the blood of Jesus."

You rephrase "I speak, thou warn," to "I speak, thou judge."

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Paul believed in what Ezekiel said about God's word concerning the wicked. Ezekiel said when God speaks, and says the sinner is lost and we do not warn the sinner of that word (which shaz thinks is us judging the sinner), then their blood is on our hands.

Look what Paul said.

Act 20:26-27 KJV Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. (27) For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

Act 18:4-6 KJV And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. (5) And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. (6) And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.


The enemy would like us to stop declaring the counsel OF GOD by twisting it to say it is actually judgment from US. The enemy would like us to think that we are hating the sinner and exalting ourselves in superiority just because we obey God and warn the wicked of what God said, so the wicked get no warning and die in their sins. The enemy wants us to think we cannot truly see good works coming from our lives, and cannot love our neighbours as ourselves, if we warn the wicked of their sin, as if warning them is acting as hateful judge over them and exalting ourselves. Wow.

The enemy makes us think warning the wicked of God's word is pointing fingers, so they'll die in their sins and see their blood on our hands.

Beware of this deceit, folks. If our bro is correct, we cannot say any warning at all, for it would be judging. There's no such thing as warning according to bro. It's all judging to him.

[Esaias]

Shaz, you are a judgmental hypocrite. Everyone who doesn't see things your way is "not following Christ"? You do the very things you condemn everyone else for.

Best check yo self.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You mean the forum is a government plot to keep us separated?

Therefore your teaching is what will bring us closer together to be able to understand what the government is doing to us?

Care to expound on this?

my meaning was that "All Muslims are lost" is reflected in government policy, and is also the same opinion held by a majority of Americans. I have nothing to teach; i merely make the observation that one reaps what they sew. "Muslims are lost" is not a fact, it is an opinion; that you are entitled to, that comes with consequences. The government is merely manifesting your widely held opinion, even if it is also helping to shape it. You get the government you deserve. You think Muslims are lost? Then you get government that creates ISIS; funds it, and keeps it supplied with arms, while your children guard their poppy fields. "Muslims are lost" is where the "separation" comes from.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, what is Russia doing about it? How about China? If the USA and UK are posing as radicals blowing up buildings in New York, fighting against Syrian government, and pushing for war in Iran. What will Russia do about it? Since Russia is an ally of Iran.

whatever the banksters tell them to do, or manipulate them into doing, i guess. You are essentially asking me what satan plans for his domain tomorrow. He will provide new divisive issues so that new divisions may be created, to suck new people in to picking a "side," surely. Russia is apparently going to sell weapons to Iran.

[Aquila]

The only way to be certain that one is saved is to obey Acts 2:38. Although yes, God is ultimately every individual's judge, outside of Acts 2:38 there is no real assurance.

I pray that God will have mercy upon them. And I hold out hope that God will have said mercy. However, it is ultimately God's choice, not mine.