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03-17-2009, 03:37 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
Hammondperson,
Glad you had a great service and got refreshed. If the World Wide Pentecostal Wrestling Fellowship International is for you then go for it. You need to align yourself with folks you feel comfortable with.
I have a feeling if old time hymns, no video, no modern praise songs, and hellfire preaching are what you long for and your idea of what Christianity is you are going to be very happy with the WWPF. If you equate screaming and long sermons with annointing all that much better as you will be doubly blessed!
Seriously though you do need to be with and associated with a group of people that as closely refelcts your understanding of Christianity as possible and for you this group sounds like just the ticket. Just keep in mind they are human also and as Sis Alvear mentioned every group has some with bitterness, wrong motives ,etc along with the good folks.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-17-2009, 03:50 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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Originally Posted by HammondMan
I have to agree with you "Arkansas girl". The bitterness gets pretty rampant. Not to mention the 'ministerial gossip'. I used to work at the Publishing House several years ago, and "No!", I'm not a disgruntled employee. They were everyday people working there, just like you and me. But the UPCI HAS changed over the years. I currently attend a UPC church in the St. Louis area. We now have "show-time" religion, and not Old time religion. Congregational singing has been replaced by "off-the-wall" singing. Hymnals are not vogue. The praise team entertains with "therapeautic" strains of "Here I am to Worship, Here I am to bow down", (although none do - "bow down"). Once in a while the drummer gets wild, and everyone bounces up and down in time, but I'm not really sure it's fire shut up in their bones. I can't tell you the last time I heard a sermon about "hell". And there's aren't any more altar calls. We just all go up around the front at the end of the service. It's less offensive that way. Yup, and I'm the organist. Playing such watered down music - singing about the 'rain' so much we're all wet. We don't sing any songs with the power of a rushing mighty wind, or fire any more. We just sing the songs that are made famous by our American Idols. Right on our platform.
Sorry folks, criticize the WPF all you want. I've never even met one, but I'M INTERESTED!!! Check out the old testament. I remember the FIRST temple. This second one we're in DOESN'T EVEN COME CLOSE!!!!
I backslid and lived in the world for 17 years. Lost my family, my home, and my job. My parents never stopped praying for me. THANK YOU JESUS, for having mercy on me, and letting me come back. It's odd that I now see the 'church' yearning for the stuff I had in the world, and while I was in the world, I desperately needed what the church had.
I've already made my reservations to go to Tulsa - I prefer to know the truth for myself, rather than listen to "he said", and "she said". You can't judge a book by it's cover. Just because a few WPF may come across as holier than thou, doesn't mean that's what the leadership stands for. God help us all if our leaders were judged by what we say and do. And, I'm not buying the stuff about "how they left". The first thought that ran through my mind when I backslid and left the church was how those people thought they were better than me.
EXACTLY what you hear the WPF accused of. Sorry folks, strait is gate, narrow is the way, and few that find it. I'm wanna find out more about the 'few''. Hell has widened it's mouth to handle the majority. (and for those with Satan on their shoulders, "No, I wasn't inferring that the UPCI is headed for hell.")
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I hope that by now you have done your pastor and church a big favor and have left to find another church. 
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03-18-2009, 03:41 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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Originally Posted by CC1
Hammondperson,
Glad you had a great service and got refreshed. If the World Wide Pentecostal Wrestling Fellowship International is for you then go for it. You need to align yourself with folks you feel comfortable with.
I have a feeling if old time hymns, no video, no modern praise songs, and hellfire preaching are what you long for and your idea of what Christianity is you are going to be very happy with the WWPF. If you equate screaming and long sermons with annointing all that much better as you will be doubly blessed!
Seriously though you do need to be with and associated with a group of people that as closely refelcts your understanding of Christianity as possible and for you this group sounds like just the ticket. Just keep in mind they are human also and as Sis Alvear mentioned every group has some with bitterness, wrong motives ,etc along with the good folks.
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If you get a chance check out Br. Myles Youngs website.
He's WPF. http://www.therockchurch.org/video/noLimits09.php
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03-18-2009, 05:12 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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I thought they were against TV evangelism?
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And someday master you. --Anon.
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03-18-2009, 06:39 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
I thought they were against TV evangelism?
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Your right.. we (WPF) do no advertise on, or put our services on tv.
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03-18-2009, 07:27 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
Your right.. we (WPF) do no advertise on, or put our services on tv.
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I thought it was interesting of how the WPF handled the hollywood issue. They said they were against it by any medium if I recall.
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03-18-2009, 08:37 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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I thought it was interesting of how the WPF handled the hollywood issue. They said they were against it by any medium if I recall.
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You think hellywoods ok?
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03-18-2009, 08:50 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
Your right.. we (WPF) do no advertise on, or put our services on tv.
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What's the differnece between televising services on cable verses the internet?? Can you see any inconsistency with that?
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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03-18-2009, 09:10 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
What's the differnece between televising services on cable verses the internet?? Can you see any inconsistency with that?
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pray for us.
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03-18-2009, 09:12 PM
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Re: Have You Been to WWPF Lately?
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What's the differnece between televising services on cable verses the internet?? Can you see any inconsistency with that?
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There is no inconsistency. If your against television, your against television. Internet is NOT television.
Of course that is like saying I am against AC current but FOR DC current.
Or against vinyl LP's but FOR cassettes.
Or against FM but FOR AM.
Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc..............
The really SAD part is when you make it a heaven or hell issue.
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