When is your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life????

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Pre- Pentecost .... Jesus tells his disciples:

Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:20)

With all due respect to you both,

First off the verses before and immediatly after the one you have quoted are in future tense. (after pentecost)

Second , "I" have no formula for salvation, my salvation and the validation of it is in the Word of God.

Third, I am afraid I am not following the intrest in the Book of Life. The Book does not save me, the blood of Christ on the cross is my redemtion. "When" my name is written in the book of life is also irrelevant.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

God bless you and may the Love of Jesus be with you.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Pre- Pentecost .... Jesus tells his disciples:

Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. (Luke 10:20)

The scripture you qoute is Jesus teaching the diciples of things to come (after pentecost) Notice the scripture before and immediatly after are in future tense.

DarcieNever said I agree with his formula of salvation

I have no formula of salvation, My salvation is validated through the blood of Jesus Christ and rooted in the Truth of His Word.

Saints, I believe the emphasis on the Book of Life is unfounded. It is a descriptive word used of God to express salvation. "when" my name is written there is irrelavent. as long as it is written.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you

This is our ultimate goal, this is what we strive for,

God bless,

[OneAccord]

Not to enter the fray, only to comment, then move on. Darcie... don't get discouraged. You're on the ight track (from what I have read so far).

Theres nothing in the Word that suggests our names are written in the Book of Life, except "from the foundation of the world". Alot of songs have been written like "Theres a new name written down in glory", but nothing in the Word says our names are wriiten down when we are saved. Nothing says our names are added to the Book. It does say our names CAN be blotted out... but nothing says our names are added.

Do I believe in Predestination? Yes, but not the way its commonly defined. Some say a certain number are predestined for eteranl life, while others are predestined for eternal punishment. I do not agree with this. (And, alot of people disagree with me). Keep studying, theres an important truth right in front of you!

Could it be that our names (everyones name) is written down "from the foundation of the world"? Could it be that ALL, before their birth, are "predestined" for eternal life, but that only those who submit to the Lord actually make it?

Now... lead me away to be crucified.

[OneAccord]

Its been called (on this forum) hersay, but this is the way I interprete this topic. And, admittedly, it is only my interpreatation. Like everyone else, I have the right to interpret the Word.

The accepted Apostolic doctrine of the New Birth states that everyone must Repent, be baptized in Jesus Name and recieve the Holy Ghost to be saved. But, what about those who do not have the mental capacity to submit to the Plan of Salvation? What about those children who die in infancy? It has been suggested that they, like everyone else who fails to obey Acts 2:38 are in hell. Others make "concessions" ("I believe they aren't accountable for their sins... They were too young, etc.") However, only those whose names are written in the Book of Life can inherit eternal life.

When is that done? Our names are written there "from the foundation of the world" like the Bible clearly says. Our names were written in the Book of Life before we were born...before the world was made. Only those who ultimately obey Acts 2:38? No, EVERYONE. Every member of Adams race was recorded and predestinated for salvation before they were ever born. That settles the question infants who die before they are old enough to walk, let alone obey Acts 2:38. They go to their eternal life with the Lord. As we grow older, we begin to be "shapened in iniquity", which means we learn to sin. We take on a sinful nature through interaction with our enviorment. We adopt unscriptural doctrines that lead us from God. We aren't born with a sinful nature, we adapt that as we grow older. True, that sinful nature comes from Adam's fall, but we are not born with a sinful nature.
At some point we are confronted with Truth. What we do with that Truth determines our eternal destination. Reject Truth and we stand in danger of having our names blotted out of the Book of Life.

Listen to what Jesus said "Ye must be born AGAIN". Some say we are born once (our natural birth, and born again (when we are saved). But Jesus made it clear that this discourse with Nicodemus has nothing to do with the natural birth. And, if that is true, when he said "BORN AGAIN" he was referring to a second spiritual birth. We are born once (spiritually) the moment our names are written in the Book of Life (before we were born), then we are born naturally. As we grow older and take on a sinful nature, we die spiritually. We become "dead in trespasses and sins". We need to be re-born spiritually (BORN AGAIN). And this is done when we are saved.

This IS predestination- with a twist. Everyone is predestined for eternal life. However, only those who are BORN AGAIN actually make it. Only those who are reborn spiritually a second tome reap their eteranl reward. Not Calvinsim that teaches some are saved, others are lost. Not Serpent Seed that teaches only a certain number will be in the "Bride" and everyone else will be lost. No, ALL are presdestined for eternal life, but only a few recieve it.

Originally Posted by Darcie

I came across these verses this weekend, and I need some help in clarifing these verses.

Revelation 13:8

All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

Revelation 17:8
8The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

Can it be that before the foundation of the earth names were already written or not written in the book of life?

What say ye? I would like to know your opinions/explanations. I'm not trying to stir things up. I sincerely just need some clarity.

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Not to enter the fray, only to comment, then move on. Darcie... don't get discouraged. You're on the ight track (from what I have read so far).

Theres nothing in the Word that suggests our names are written in the Book of Life, except "from the foundation of the world". Alot of songs have been written like "Theres a new name written down in glory", but nothing in the Word says our names are wriiten down when we are saved. Nothing says our names are added to the Book. It does say our names CAN be blotted out... but nothing says our names are added.

Do I believe in Predestination? Yes, but not the way its commonly defined. Some say a certain number are predestined for eteranl life, while others are predestined for eternal punishment. I do not agree with this. (And, alot of people disagree with me). Keep studying, theres an important truth right in front of you!

Could it be that our names (everyones name) is written down "from the foundation of the world"? Could it be that ALL, before their birth, are "predestined" for eternal life, but that only those who submit to the Lord actually make it?
Now... lead me away to be crucified.

This is how I'm seeing it as of right now. Still want to study some more tho.

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Its been called (on this forum) hersay, but this is the way I interprete this topic. And, admittedly, it is only my interpreatation. Like everyone else, I have the right to interpret the Word.

The accepted Apostolic doctrine of the New Birth states that everyone must Repent, be baptized in Jesus Name and recieve the Holy Ghost to be saved. But, what about those who do not have the mental capacity to submit to the Plan of Salvation? What about those children who die in infancy? It has been suggested that they, like everyone else who fails to obey Acts 2:38 are in hell. Others make "concessions" ("I believe they aren't accountable for their sins... They were too young, etc.") However, only those whose names are written in the Book of Life can inherit eternal life.

When is that done? Our names are written there "from the foundation of the world" like the Bible clearly says. Our names were written in the Book of Life before we were born...before the world was made. Only those who ultimately obey Acts 2:38? No, EVERYONE. Every member of Adams race was recorded and predestinated for salvation before they were ever born. That settles the question infants who die before they are old enough to walk, let alone obey Acts 2:38. They go to their eternal life with the Lord. As we grow older, we begin to be "shapened in iniquity", which means we learn to sin. We take on a sinful nature through interaction with our enviorment. We adopt unscriptural doctrines that lead us from God. We aren't born with a sinful nature, we adapt that as we grow older. True, that sinful nature comes from Adam's fall, but we are not born with a sinful nature.
At some point we are confronted with Truth. What we do with that Truth determines our eternal destination. Reject Truth and we stand in danger of having our names blotted out of the Book of Life.

Listen to what Jesus said "Ye must be born AGAIN". Some say we are born once (our natural birth, and born again (when we are saved). But Jesus made it clear that this discourse with Nicodemus has nothing to do with the natural birth. And, if that is true, when he said "BORN AGAIN" he was referring to a second spiritual birth. We are born once (spiritually) the moment our names are written in the Book of Life (before we were born), then we are born naturally. As we grow older and take on a sinful nature, we die spiritually. We become "dead in trespasses and sins". We need to be re-born spiritually (BORN AGAIN). And this is done when we are saved.

This IS predestination- with a twist. Everyone is predestined for eternal life. However, only those who are BORN AGAIN actually make it. Only those who are reborn spiritually a second tome reap their eteranl reward. Not Calvinsim that teaches some are saved, others are lost. Not Serpent Seed that teaches only a certain number will be in the "Bride" and everyone else will be lost. No, ALL are presdestined for eternal life, but only a few recieve it.

I said it before I'll say it again, you seem like a wise man to me.

[OneAccord]

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

[SDG]

The scripture you qoute is Jesus teaching the diciples of things to come (after pentecost) Notice the scripture before and immediatly after are in future tense.

Wrong ... he finished saying to the 70 not to rejoice presently about demons being subject to them since they were boasting about this very same thing... but to rejoice that their names were written [present] in the book right now ... this is indicated by NOT WITHSTANDING. Verse 21 .... says this has been revealed ... past tense.

Anything else is verbal and logical gymnastics seeking to fit in your theological paradigm on biblical salvation ... if Jesus meant will be .. then he would have said will be ... I don't need the W&S secret decoder ring to understand this scripture.

DarcieNever said I agree with his formula of salvation

I have no formula of salvation, My salvation is validated through the blood of Jesus Christ and rooted in the Truth of His Word.

Saints, I believe the emphasis on the Book of Life is unfounded. It is a descriptive word used of God to express salvation. "when" my name is written there is irrelavent. as long as it is written.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you

This is our ultimate goal, this is what we strive for,

God bless,

Seems like a cop out ... scripture seems to be pointing away from what TRADITION HAS TAUGHT US ... do you think scripture is silent on this topic of when our name is written????

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Thank you OA for pointing out these 2 scriptures. Its making a whole lotta sense to me.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Wrong ... he finished saying to the 70 not to rejoice presently about demons being subject to them since they were boasting about this very same thing... but to rejoice that their names were written [present] in the book right now ... this is indicated by NOT WITHSTANDING. Verse 21 .... says this has been revealed ... past tense.

Bro. Daniel, If you scroll back through the pages you will find that I was the one who mentioned to Darcie that our names could be written from the begining, so I'm not sure what your point is. Some how you got the conversation between "names in the book of life" and "Holy Ghost infilling" , both of which have been disussed here, mixed up.

Originally Posted by Anything else is verbal and logical gymnastics seeking to fit in your theological paradigm on biblical salvation ... [B

if Jesus meant will be .. then he would have said will be .[/b].. I don't need the W&S secret decoder ring to understand this scripture.

I have posted that very line on here on several threads. I fully agree, still don't see your point Bro.


Seems like a cop out ... scripture seems to be pointing away from what TRADITION HAS TAUGHT US ... do you think scripture is silent on this topic of when our name is written????

In closing, Bro. Daniel, I pray you have not entrusted your salvation on what "seems to be". Prayer is the only way for the spirit to reveal the Word. No I do not think the scripture is silient about it, I simply think the point is irrelevant to salvation. Who cares when it is written, as long as it's written.
And secondly, If your brand of salvation or Christianity or whatever you want to call it is represented by the continous degrading way in which you talk to people then I think I will stay with the Tradition of Christ love, mercy and grace. You seem to feel the need to down on people or use hurtful sarcasm to get your point across. Not only does that make possible new comers to the faith react as I have but also seems as if your almost trying to convince yourself of what you are saying. If Christ is in you my friend, then His love will come out of you. You see the kind of caring manner in which Oneaccord has posted above? A person can read that, agreeing or not, and obviously know, that is a person with patient, calm, caring and understanding of the Love of Christ within him.
Bro. Daniel, I would truly enjoy disussing scripture with you, but I have no need to speak in a degrading or childish manner in the context of the Almighty. I wish you well Bro. Daniel and you as well as Darcie will be in my prayers. I hope the hardening of your heart will find the peace that the Love of Jesus offers.

Bless you in Jesus Name,