THe Current PCI Beliefs - Page 3

OneAccord · #1 02-24-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW
Would Noah have been saved without building and entering into the ark?
Would Namaan have been cleansed without dipping 7 times?

Nope and Nope. But that has nothing to do with water. Its does, however, have everything to do with obedience. Water didn't save Noah, nor did water heal Naaman. Even Hebrews states "BY faith, Noah..." Faith (obeying and responding to the word) is what saves us. Not water. Water baptism is our response of obedience for what Jesus did for us at repentance.

SDG · #2 02-24-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

Nope and Nope. But that has nothing to do with water. Its does, however, have everything to do with obedience. Water didn't save Noah, nor did water heal Naaman. Even Hebrews states "BY faith, Noah..." Faith (obeying and responding to the word) is what saves us. Not water. Water baptism is our response of obedience for what Jesus did for us at repentance.

You mean the water doesn't transubstantiate to blood or wash away my sins ....or somehow the blood is applied through the water ????

#3 02-24-2007, 06:38 PM

Dude... if it was bloody water, I wouldn't have gotten in it to be baptized.

SDG · #4 02-24-2007, 06:42 PM

You gotta love the guys at the True Jesus church who have take the baptismal regeneration doctrine to a new height ....

"Water baptism is the sacrament for the remission of sins for regeneration. The baptism must take place in natural living water, such as the river, sea, or spring. The Baptist, who already has had received baptism of water and the Holy Spirit, conducts the baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And the person receiving the baptism must be completely immersed in water with head bowed and face downward."

See their statement of faith ....

Sam · #5 02-24-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You gotta love the guys at the True Jesus church who have take the baptismal regeneration doctrine to a new height ....

"Water baptism is the sacrament for the remission of sins for regeneration. The baptism must take place in natural living water, such as the river, sea, or spring. The Baptist, who already has had received baptism of water and the Holy Spirit, conducts the baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And the person receiving the baptism must be completely immersed in water with head bowed and face downward."

See their statement of faith ....

Well, as far as we know, mikveh/baptism/ritual cleansing was to be done in running water and the person self-immersed three times. That was most likely the method used by John the Baptist, then Jesus, then the followers of Jesus who became the NT church.

This is a quote from The Didache which was written some time between 50 AD and 250 AD (various dates are given). It is part of chapter 15 of the Book of Acts in some Bibles. It mentions the three fold immersion in living or running water.

7:1 But concerning baptism, thus shall ye baptize.
7:2 Having first recited all these things, baptize {in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit} in living (running) water.
7:3 But if thou hast not living water, then baptize in other water;
7:4 and if thou art not able in cold, then in warm.
7:5 But if thou hast neither, then pour water on the head thrice in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
7:6 But before the baptism let him that baptizeth and him that is baptized fast, and any others also who are able;
7:7 and thou shalt order him that is baptized to fast a day or two before.