Jihad vs Crusades - Obama distorts history

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

there is still no comparison. He was alone, and groups like his are very small and further more most of these sort of nut jobs get their views not strictly from the bible but from Right wing publications like White supremacist publications..where are groups like ISIS getting theirs?

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Christian terrorists are better in many ways. This has been established. In this case they are WAY better because they have WAY smaller groups. Christian murderers are better too because they have purer motives. Christian heaven is better too. I forgot why. Something about sex.

With that said I did not compare them. I only noted that the westboro jerks are not the worst group using some twisted form of "christianity" as a basis for their actions and noted that a potential terrorist can be found anywhere a person who sets their religion, sect, denomination, and personal set of beliefs over God is found. I applied that comment to all.

(That is a paraphrase. Please do not pull a "that's not exactly what you said - liar" as that will become an exhausting thread.) I have plans today. LOL

ISIS definitely does not get their views strictly from the Quran LOL. We discuss this from time to time. They are still not better than christian terrorists who do not get their views strictly from the bible. I forgot why. It is not sex - that was in the "betterness of christian Paradise" discussion. I think it's skin color and because they smell and talk and look and dress funny or different.

Or maybe was that "all non-UPC" in the "betterness of UPC" threads? Man it is hard to manage the "betterness" list.

Be careful with "betterness" Prax. It's just another word for pride. That really hasn't been your thing. You're pretty cool to talk to, and keep me intellectually honest (or try) but I am not going to tangle with you on betterness.

WRITTEN Hadith was burned during the time of Mohammed and for a couple hundred years afterwards written Hadith was forbidden. When Mohammed caught people writing something other than the Quran he ordered it burned and he specifically said that the mistake made by the peoples before who rejected their scripture was that their law superceded and changed the law of God and in this there was terrible consequence.

Apologists for "Hadith over Quran" admit this but try to justify following Hadith over Quran in many convoluted and clever ways. Perhaps you should ask the folks on your other forum about this.

One of the more humorous explanations for no written Hadith during the time of Mohammed - LOL

"The Ahaadith were not compiled and codified in the time of the Prophet (PBUH) like it is today. There existed no real need for this as the companions memorised virtually every word spoken by the Prophet (PBUH). Allah Ta’ala had granted them such perfect and excellent memories that once they heard anything they used to remember it throughout their lives. The remembering of lengthy poems and the ancestral details of horses and camels bears testimony to this fact. Once Ibn Umar (RA) repeated Ahaadith to a bedouin, in order for him to memorize it well. The bedouin remarked, “Enough, once is sufficient I shall not forget it till death. I have performed 60 pilgrimages on 60 camels and I know perfectly well which Hajj I performed on which camel.”

This was the condition of the bedouins in ordinary matters and mundane talk."

ISIS justifies their actions not by the Quran, but by little bits and pieces of Hadith strung together like a few denominations string bits and pieces of scripture together to form their own doctrines then defend this violently nor not.

In this, ISIS and others are exactly alike and no betterness can be found.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

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ISIS definitely does not get their views strictly from the Quran LOL.

Hadiths?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Hadiths?

Except for this hadith.

“No one is entitled to punish with fire except the Creator (God) of the fire”. (Abu Dawud, Sunan, No. 2673)

Even the Hadith directly forbids burning someone to death. Don't know how they justify that.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Except for this hadith.

“No one is entitled to punish with fire except the Creator (God) of the fire”. (Abu Dawud, Sunan, No. 2673)

Even the Hadith directly forbids burning someone to death. Don't know how they justify that.

But all they have is the quran according to them. What else are they quoting?

[Praxeas]

I wonder of Muhammad is making it up as he goes along

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent us on military expedition telling us, "If you find such and such persons (he named two men from Quraish), burn them fire." Then we came to bid him farewell, when we wanted to set out, he said: "Previously I ordered you to burn so-and-so and so-and-so with fire, but as punishment with fire is done by none except Allah, if you capture them, kill them, (instead)."

[anon5]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Maybe you should research more

I will help you get started since you left this guy and this christian nutjob group out and this was two months ago.

McQuilliams, started his attack on the Mexican Consulate building and a federal courthouse shortly after 2.20am.

After firing about 200 rounds, he was killed by a single shot to the chest from a police officer as he shot at police headquarters.

Written in marker on his chest were the words, 'Let me die,' Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo said.

When police searched his rented van they found books associated with a right-wing Christian sect known as the Phineas Priesthood, which holds extremist, anti-Semitic and racist views.

Police found a copy of 'Vigilantes of Christendom,' a book describes the Phineas Priesthood as Christian guerrillas who avenge Judeo-Christian traitors.

Moral: You will find a potential terrorist anywhere you find a person who is more devoted to their religion, sect, denomination, and beliefs than devoted to God.

This is something all of us should heed.

Yes, I get that a rogue and sadly isolated terrorist who associates himself with Christian beliefs exist, but did he shout right before shooting, All praise to Jesus? Was he trained alongside THOUSANDS of others in a Christian jihad terrorism camp? Is he just one of countless Christian suicide bombers blowing up car after car, or kidnapping schoolgirls by the hundreds, sending them off as child brides to be raped? Yes, nonmuslims have done all these things at some point, but it PALES in size, scope and intention of the Islam brand.

Seriously, trying to put the two in the same category is like equating a dripping faucet to Niagara freaking falls.

[anon5]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Ahhh, now we're all feeling the euphoria of standing on the high moral ground.

Enjoy it while it lasts. Hopefully we will all (WII included) live out our days in peace, pontificating our respective positions across the airwaves. And hopefully our children won't have to make the stand(s) that seem to be marching inevitably towards us (due to our and previous generations kicking several cans further on down the road).

On a side note... Islam and Christianity, in spite of their differences (and yes, those differences are major) nevertheless both religions have a common enemy... which seems to (once again) be playing us off against each other for reasons most of us not only can't imagine, but if it were boldly confessed by the guilty parties most still wouldn't believe it.

Bottom line: I just couldn't follow a religion who's founder married a 9 yr old. If Jesus did that I'd never follow him. EVER.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by anon5

Yes, I get that a rogue and sadly isolated terrorist who associates himself with Christian beliefs exist, but did he shout right before shooting, All praise to Jesus? Was he trained alongside THOUSANDS of others in a Christian jihad terrorism camp? Is he just one of countless Christian suicide bombers blowing up car after car, or kidnapping schoolgirls by the hundreds, sending them off as child brides to be raped? Yes, nonmuslims have done all these things at some point, but it PALES in size, scope and intention of the Islam brand.

Seriously, trying to put the two in the same category is like equating a dripping faucet to Niagara freaking falls.

Who compared them? I did not. What now. Did someone threaten or challenge your "betterness"? I did not do that either.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder of Muhammad is making it up as he goes along

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent us on military expedition telling us, "If you find such and such persons (he named two men from Quraish), burn them fire." Then we came to bid him farewell, when we wanted to set out, he said: "Previously I ordered you to burn so-and-so and so-and-so with fire, but as punishment with fire is done by none except Allah, if you capture them, kill them, (instead)."

Punishment by fire is forbidden.

So how it is justified I am not sure. Even the Quran in one instance adminishes Mohammed for making things lawful which are not. Which is why Mohammed himself instructed Hadith to be destroyed and that no books were to be written except for the Quran.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by anon5

Bottom line: I just couldn't follow a religion who's founder married a 9 yr old. If Jesus did that I'd never follow him. EVER.

In present time you wouldnt follow Jesus just because He had long hair.

Jesus had many opportunities to speak on marriage law and marriage practices and these are missing not only from His time but for the entire period of history covered in the bible.

If it is there go get it and post chapter and verse on it.