Stunning Sermon On The Great Tribulation

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok then NONE of the writings of the New Testament are for us according to this perversion.

Corinthians was just for the Corinthians.
Thessalonians was just for the Thessalonians.
Colossians was just for the Colossians.
Phillipians was just for the Phillipians.
Timothy was just for Timothy.
Titus was just for Titus.

After all none of these have our names in them. We were not even born.

poor comparison. Matt 24 actually says "you see things" not "they will see"

In a sense those letter where written for them addressed to but eternal things such as kingdom, salvation, prayer, etc...... apply to all saints then and now.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is our lifetime.

and there is nothing new under the sun.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok then NONE of the writings of the New Testament are for us according to this perversion.

Corinthians was just for the Corinthians.
Thessalonians was just for the Thessalonians.
Colossians was just for the Colossians.
Phillipians was just for the Phillipians.
Timothy was just for Timothy.
Titus was just for Titus.

After all none of these have our names in them. We were not even born.

When Jesus said to them "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name", do you believe that the disciples expect that they personally would be delivered to tribulation, they they personally would be killed and that they personally would be hated or do you think the disciples were thinking those words were not for them but for individuals 2000+ years in the future?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by seekerman

When Jesus said to them "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name", do you believe that the disciples expect that they personally would be delivered to tribulation, they they personally would be killed and that they personally would be hated or do you think the disciples were thinking those words were not for them but for individuals 2000+ years in the future?

Those words were for THEM and they also were for US. The same as the rest of the New Testament. The words of Jesus are SPIRIT and they are LIFE.

Some people never learn to PERSONALIZE the word of God. This life becomes so awesome!

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I listened to it

He says that Jesus will not come back until intercessors:

1) preach to the nations that he is coming back to take over their nation2) pray and beckon his return to rule their nation
3) suffer martyrdom to provide the justification for judgement of that nation

the above is what consitutes preaching the gospel of the kingdom to every nation.

I have not yet listened, but I will soon. I wanted to share this anyway.

I had a bit of a revelation tonight that I think God has been leading me up to. Nothing profound at all but different for me. We had a man who has spent the majority of his life on the mission field speaking at our churcht the last few services. Robert Forbush, tremendous man of God. Well tonight there was a very different move of God and he decided to put his sermon aside and just share some of his experiences in different countries. As he began to share I was astounded at how much he knew about the church throughout the world and his burden for the whole church of God! I realized how limited I am in my burden for the Kingdom. I have a burden for some of the souls that I see on a daily basis and that's about it. I was in travail before the Lord the other day and before I could even realize what I was praying I began praying that God would bring kings and princes and whole nations to a revelation of Himself. It shocked me a bit when i realized what I had just prayed! This is totally out of my normal mindset and prayer life but it seems that God is trying to enlarge my vision and burden to the whole world!

[kclee4jc]

And I must say...the more I hear from Mike Bickle (especially his eschatology) the more I like him. Not sayin I agree with all his theology but he definitely has some great insights.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Audience relevence is the key to understanding.

Mat 24:3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you.
Mat 24:5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
Mat 24:6 "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.
Mat 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.
Mat 24:8 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.

Jesus was speaking to His disciples, not to folks 2000+ years in the future.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Those words were for THEM and they also were for US. The same as the rest of the New Testament. The words of Jesus are SPIRIT and they are LIFE.

Some people never learn to PERSONALIZE the word of God. This life becomes so awesome!

I'm all for personalizing the Word of God, but in this passage Jesus is speaking of specific events in a specific time frame to which a specific group of people would see.

Mat 24:2 And He said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down."

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I over simplified it. He was saying that God will not judge the nations unjustly, but that the martyrdom of the saints and the blood of the saints will be His justification for judgement of the nations.

Yes Elohim will be just in all his ways.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Audience relevence is the key to understanding.

Mat 24:3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said to them, "See to it that no one misleads you.
Mat 24:5 "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will mislead many.
Mat 24:6 "You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.
Mat 24:7 "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes.
Mat 24:8 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.

Jesus was speaking to His disciples, not to folks 2000+ years in the future.

It is not the end of the age just yet.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I'm all for personalizing the Word of God, but in this passage Jesus is speaking of specific events in a specific time frame to which a specific group of people would see.

Mat 24:2 And He said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Truly I say to you, not one stone here will be left upon another, which will not be torn down."

And so in the same chapter when Jesus said:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken : 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn , and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matt. 24:29-31

Has THIS already occured in your opinion?