Seascapes regarding big oil and food prices.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

How vouchers hurt the public schools, means less money for the public schools, less money means less qualified teachers and less updated books. The federal support for schools are on the number of children in schools, you know that. So the more students that go to private schools with their vouchers, means less students in the public schools. Now what did you mean by your last statement "Obama Killed vouchers in D.C. for poor minorities." Are you meaning that because he is half black? If so shame on you.

"If so"? Wow, you never cease to amaze.
You bad mouth everyone on here who disagrees with your unfounded positions.

Do you even read the responses? You've been given fact after fact and you never refute them....
Talk about "shame"...if so.

What about the facts posted showing you that it's Obama that is cutting medicare with his obamacare. Where on earth do you think the funds are going to come from? He's cutting out a ton of money. People are having their benefits cut, but you're so blind to truth you refuse to see what's happening.

I'd laugh....but, I just can't.

Just in case you missed it, I'll bold it:

CBO Chief: Medicare Benefits Could Be Cut:

WASHINGTON — Congress’ chief budget officer is contradicting President Barack Obama’s oft-stated claim that seniors wouldn’t see their Medicare benefits cut under a health care overhaul.

The head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf, told senators Tuesday that seniors in Medicare’s managed care plans would see reduced benefits….

The heart, the soul and the core of the TWO part Obama Health Care Plan (remember the first portion of the Plan creating the rationing boards and the enforcement boards was hidden in The Stimulus Bill) is to cut costs by denying and rationing care. The end result is to OPPRESS health care FREEDOM for every person and family in OUR country This is the most INHUMANE and UNETHICAL means of cutting costs. President Obama has spoken 124 times on health care in the past 3 months and on each of these occasions he has stated that “health care will not be rationed under our plan … especially for seniors.”

So it looks like he NOT only disagrees with the “little old country Doctor from Michigan” but according to the non – partisan Congressional Budget Office his statements on the issue — all 124 times — are NOT accurate in their eyes and analysis as well. Some might say he has been misrepresentative. Others might say, “He has repetitively lied to the public.” You decide.

Two numbers to remember — according to the President, Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid, to pay for their plan they will cut $500 Billion in Medicare over 10 years. The problem comes with the next number. In 10 years there will be 30% more people in Medicare due to demographics. So their plan cuts $500 billion and there will be 30% more people in Medicare. There is only one way this can work — RATIONING and DENYING of care for every person in Medicare.

It is a “good thing” the President and his administration snuck the rationing board (The Federal Council For Comparative Effectiveness Research) in the Stimulus Bill and funded it for $1.1 BILLION. They have a lot of work to do as soon as possible in denying care to Americans.

That's 500 billion being cut from medicare by the democrats!

wow...wake up.

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by coadie

Do you realize if we have vouchers, there will also be less students in gubment schools?

Costs go down when population goes down.

Do you realize if we have vouchers, the public school system will only be the poorer children, yeah maybe mostly black, but they don't need an education, do they. What is a gubment school? or was I right in saying mostly black? Remember the voucher doesn't pay the total cost of private school only part of it, and many unfortunate folks, like the lower middle class, won't be able to pay the other part. Get real, you know I am right. RE-publican

[Seascapes]

sandie said..."If so"? Wow, you never cease to amaze. You bad mouth everyone on here who disagrees with your unfounded positions."

Have you ever read your own post? Attacking everyone that doesn't agree with you. Your remark that if you vote democrat then you have to agree with ALL their issues. If you agree with ALL the republican issues, then you have no compassion on the people in need. I agree with the issues that benefit me, my family, my financial status, and most of the American people, not the wealthiest 2 percent.

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

sandie said..."If so"? Wow, you never cease to amaze. You bad mouth everyone on here who disagrees with your unfounded positions."

Have you ever read your own post? Attacking everyone that doesn't agree with you. Your remark that if you vote democrat then you have to agree with ALL their issues. I you agree with ALL the republican issues, then you have no compassion on the people in need. I agree with the issues that benefit me, my family, my financial status, and most of the American people, not the wealthiest 2 percent.

And what part of that is putting others first? That's what we're suppose to do as Christians.
Do you remember one of your first posts? You set the tone. You came out with both guns blazing, attacking all things conservative and those who supported such things.

And where in scripture are we suppose to dispise the wealthy? I can give you a scripture that warns otherwise.


I happen to agree with the republican platform. I cannot get past the idea of supporting the slaughter of the innocent children. If the platform of the republican party ever denounces the prolife portion I will no longer support the republicans. I won't vote for a republican that is pro-abortion or supports any un-godly position.
That, imo, is my duty. If God sees fit to change my mind, He knows I will listen.

And btw, how about that 500 billion being cut from medicare by the democrats?

[Seascapes]

Did you read that from the Health Care Bill, that was signed into law? or was it what you heard from a re-publican?

[sandie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Did you read that from the Health Care Bill, that was signed into law? or was it what you heard from a re-publican?

You don't really read the posts do you?
It was from the chief of the CBO.

I have no idea if he's a re-publican or a demon-crat.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Do you realize if we have vouchers, the public school system will only be the poorer children, yeah maybe mostly black, but they don't need an education, do they. What is a gubment school? or was I right in saying mostly black?

Remember the voucher doesn't pay the total cost of private school only part of it, and many unfortunate folks, like the lower middle class, won't be able to pay the other part. Get real, you know I am right. RE-publican

Actually your claim has several errors.

Mostly black is exactly who had vouchers removed in Washington D.C. You can't do homeowrk?

Yes and vouchers are much less than averages spend on students by a district. If a district costs 25,000 per pupil. the vouchers would be under 7,500.
Obama stifled voucher study which showed improved education, performance and scores.

Just 10 weeks later, Obama has broken both these promises. And poor-but-promising minority kids suffer the consequences.

These 1,714 children -- 90 percent black and 9 percent Hispanic -- enjoy the DC Opportunity Scholarship Program. They each receive up to $7,500 for private or parochial schools outside Washington, D.C.’s dismal government-education system. Since its 2004 launch, 7,852 students have applied for these grants, or more than four children per voucher.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...favorable.html

Follow the money: Teachers’ unions’ paid $55,794,440 in political donations between 1990 and 2008, 96 percent of it to Democrats.

I can go into further criminal detail in this if you want to see another thread.

So the school district keeps much more money for educating kids that have vourchers than the actual ammount of the vouchers.

DC Public Schools: $1.29 Billion, $28,170 per Pupil
vouchers were $7,500. It would save hundreds of millions if all the kids were accepting vouchers.

[coadie]

Per pupil expenditures in Washington D.C. of 28,000 dollars compare with harvard Tuition of 32,000 dollars a year.

$1.29 billion budget in D.C. equals the Gross Domestic Product of the country of Belize.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by sandie

You don't really read the posts do you?
It was from the chief of the CBO.

I have no idea if he's a re-publican or a demon-crat.

Of course not. Arm Chair pundits don't deal with facts. Evah. Facts get a little sticky.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

Do you realize if we have vouchers, the public school system will only be the poorer children, yeah maybe mostly black, but they don't need an education, do they. What is a gubment school? or was I right in saying mostly black? Remember the voucher doesn't pay the total cost of private school only part of it, and many unfortunate folks, like the lower middle class, won't be able to pay the other part. Get real, you know I am right. RE-publican

A Cato Institute survey found that the average tuition for private elementary schools is $5,000.
D.C. survey. Vouchers up to $7,500 for the poor. The very top private schools, a few are more than $7,500.