GREAT! They're SELF righteous! They've turned to themselves! So they've repented toward themselves. Somehow I don't think that will work. They can't save themselves. LOL!
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You label that step as repentance so let me ask. Will one go to heaven if that's all they do? What if they are never baptized in Jesus name?
You didn't ask me (and given the terms of our current friendship you may not even see this!), but I would answer "Yes."
Jesus saves us because of Calvary - not because of any works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5).
On the other hand, if the hypothetical convert that you describe were to kick dirt in our faces when we asked him if he was ready to be baptized now, the problem wouldn't be in his refusal to be baptized - The problem would be in the insufficiency of his "repentance."
Even if we dragged him kicking and screaming into and under the water, baptism would still not save him.
You didn't ask me (and given the terms of our current friendship you may not even see this!), but I would answer "Yes."
Jesus saves us because of Calvary - not because of any works of righteousness which we have done (Titus 3:5).
On the other hand, if the hypothetical convert that you describe were to kick dirt in our faces when we asked him if he was ready to be baptized now, the problem wouldn't be in his refusal to be baptized - The problem would be in the insufficiency of his "repentance."
Even if we dragged him kicking and screaming into and under the water, baptism would still not save him.
So, if one is truly repentant of one's sins, one will always want to be baptized?
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GREAT! They're SELF righteous! They've turned to themselves! So they've repented toward themselves. Somehow I don't think that will work. They can't save themselves. LOL!
So, it's a bad thing to stop doing bad things and start doing good things?
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What if they just don't believe in it? Isn't it possible for an unbeliever to be repentant?
not sure what you mean by "they just don't believe in it."
In my opinion, a person is saved when he/she believes in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus and makes a commitment to Him. That person may have been "baptized" as a baby and honestly sees no need for being re-baptized. That person may (like Quakers) believe baptism is a spiritual experience and should not be done in physical water. Or, the person may believe that baptism may be administered by sprinkling, pouring, or immersion and may choose the non immersion type of baptism.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
not sure what you mean by "they just don't believe in it."
In baptism in particular, and the Gospel in general.
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In my opinion, a person is saved when he/she believes in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus and makes a commitment to Him. That person may have been "baptized" as a baby and honestly sees no need for being re-baptized. That person may (like Quakers) believe baptism is a spiritual experience and should not be done in physical water. Or, the person may believe that baptism may be administered by sprinkling, pouring, or immersion and may choose the non immersion type of baptism.
Well, it seems that some here believe salvation is granted to those who repent, when they repent. I'm just saying that, by the ordinary English definition of the word "repent", there must be a lot of people who are "saved", even though they don't believe in Jesus. Atheists can repent!
But I have a feeling those people aren't using that definition!
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