Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > The Newsroom > Political Talk
Facebook

Notices

Political Talk Political News


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:03 AM
Twisp's Avatar
Twisp Twisp is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,754
Re: "death panels" obamacare

Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie View Post
Here are a few questions to ask about specific HR 3200 areas….

Page 30: A Government committee will decide what treatments & benefits you get. This would be the “Death Panel” and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process.

Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free health care services.

Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans such as SEIU, UAW and ACORN.

Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care Plan

Page 149: Any Employer with a payroll of $400k or more, who does not offer a public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

Page 241: Doctors: no matter what medical specialty, will all receive the same compensation!!!! You can thank the AMA.

Page 272: Cancer patient treatment will be on a case by case depending on cost of treatment.

Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals

Page 425: Advance Care Planning: Counseling for Senior Citizens, assisted suicide and euthanasia.

Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services will be made available: organizations such as ACORN.

Page 472: Payments will be provided to Community-based organizations (ACORN).
Please provide a source for that. While you're at it, provide sources for all of the questions. But mainly the first one.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:04 AM
coadie coadie is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,889
Re: "death panels" obamacare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam View Post
None of the right-wingers can ever explain why people in countries with public healthcare systems (Canada, UK, Australia, and 16 others) LIVE LONGER than people in the US. In fact, average lifespan in the US is (8) months shorter than Costa Rica (where by the way you can't even drink the water). And the healthcare system is the "best in the world?" hahahahahaha.......
I have no problem explaining. I travel between them to see family,. People like your self don't want truth. America has open borders and all kinds of week, poor etc sneak in. Millions of them. That skews the life expectancy downward. We also use a lot of cocaine from Muslim afghanistan. Muslims there are addicted and ship us drugs. we have a life expectancy for smokers and people with aidws that live longer than most Muslim countries.

You have no room to talk. Muslims sure whine a lot.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:10 AM
Walks_in_islam Walks_in_islam is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,961
Re: "death panels" obamacare

(laughing) Who is talking about Muslims anyway? Who is whining? The only Muslim country on the "list of countries where life expectancy exceeds the US" is the UAE. You think people don't drink, smoke, or use drugs in Europe, Canada, or Australia? LOL for that matter, the Netherlands, where drugs are legal, have higher life expectancy than the US. What say you to this Coadie?

Quote:
Originally Posted by coadie View Post
I have no problem explaining. I travel between them to see family,. People like your self don't want truth. America has open borders and all kinds of week, poor etc sneak in. Millions of them. That skews the life expectancy downward. We also use a lot of cocaine from Muslim afghanistan. Muslims there are addicted and ship us drugs. we have a life expectancy for smokers and people with aidws that live longer than most Muslim countries.

You have no room to talk. Muslims sure whine a lot.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:13 AM
coadie coadie is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,889
Re: "death panels" obamacare

Kathleen Sebelius will have the power to alter almost every aspect of this bill without any oversight.

But they’re not going to tell us how to raise our children, right? No, of course not. They’re just going to counsel us on the correct way to raise our children.

(1) IN GENERAL.—In this section, the term ‘eligible expenditures’—

(A) means expenditures to provide voluntary home visitation for as many families with young children (under the age of school entry) and families expecting children as practicable, through the implementation or expansion of high quality home visitation programs that—

(i) adhere to clear evidence-based models of home visitation that have demonstrated positive effects on important program-determined child and parenting outcomes, such as reducing abuse and neglect and improving child health and development;

(ii) employ well-trained and competent staff, maintain high quality supervision, provide for ongoing training and professional development, and show strong organizational capacity to implement such a program;

(iii) establish appropriate linkages and referrals to other community resources and supports;
Quote:
that means yanking them out for state orphanages if they want to
(iv) monitor fidelity of program implementation to ensure that services are delivered according to the specified model; and

(v) provide parents with—

(I) knowledge of age-appropriate child development in cognitive, language, social, emotional, and motor domains (including knowledge of second language acquisition, in the case of English language learners);

(II) knowledge of realistic expectations of age-appropriate child behaviors;

(III) knowledge of health and wellness issues for children and parents;

(IV) modeling, consulting, and coaching on parenting practices;

(V) skills to interact with their child to enhance age-appropriate development;

(VI) skills to recognize and seek help for issues related to health, developmental delays, and social, emotional, and behavioral skills; and

(VII) activities designed to help parents become full partners in the education of their children;

My first thought after reading this – what if I say no – I don’t want your voluntary inspection of my family. What will be the ramifications to the families that choose not to volunteer? Will the State consider this an act of someone with something to hide? Will the next step be for Child Protection Services to be contacted just to make sure our children are o.k.?

Section 440
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:14 AM
Ferd's Avatar
Ferd Ferd is offline
I remain the Petulant Chevalier


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 17,524
Re: "death panels" obamacare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp View Post
You're off your rocker if you buy into this "death panel" business.

Palin is just trying to stay in the news. Maybe if she were so concerned about "death panels" she would have stayed in government where her opinion actually counted for something. Now she is relegated to posting on Facebook.

The ironic aspect in all of this is that she told people to "quit making things up" in her resignation speech as governor. Perhaps she could follow her own advice.
Then I am off mine too. Brittan has a panel that decides who gets meds and who is too sick.

so do a lot of countries where this kind of healthcare has been in place for any length of time.

Palin was dead on accurate.
__________________
If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
My Countdown Counting down to: Days left till the end of the opressive Texas Summer!
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:18 AM
Walks_in_islam Walks_in_islam is offline
Banned


 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,961
Re: "death panels" obamacare

But in the UK, panel or not, they live longer. Best healthcare in the world? What say the lot of you to being ranked 23rd in lifespan?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
Then I am off mine too. Brittan has a panel that decides who gets meds and who is too sick.

so do a lot of countries where this kind of healthcare has been in place for any length of time.

Palin was dead on accurate.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:19 AM
coadie coadie is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,889
Re: "death panels" obamacare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twisp View Post
I very well might be off my rocker, but not because of this misinformation.
I think it has been clearly demonstrated and proven.

Go read the bills. Then read Dr Ezekiels long winded rant in the Lancet. I don't read the Lancet much because it is more political than the JAMA and other domestic magazines.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:22 AM
coadie coadie is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,889
Re: "death panels" obamacare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
Then I am off mine too. Brittan has a panel that decides who gets meds and who is too sick.

so do a lot of countries where this kind of healthcare has been in place for any length of time.

Palin was dead on accurate.
You have a healthy mind

so does Hannan. He is warning us as friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI6uy...layer_embedded
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:27 AM
Twisp's Avatar
Twisp Twisp is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,754
Re: "death panels" obamacare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferd View Post
Then I am off mine too. Brittan has a panel that decides who gets meds and who is too sick.

so do a lot of countries where this kind of healthcare has been in place for any length of time.

Palin was dead on accurate.
I wish someone could show proof of these death panels. Everyone says this but no one can show where it is the case in his health care bill.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 08-11-2009, 10:35 AM
coadie coadie is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,889
Re: "death panels" obamacare

Quote:
Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam View Post
(laughing) Who is talking about Muslims anyway? Who is whining? The only Muslim country on the "list of countries where life expectancy exceeds the US" is the UAE. You think people don't drink, smoke, or use drugs in Europe, Canada, or Australia? LOL for that matter, the Netherlands, where drugs are legal, have higher life expectancy than the US. What say you to this Coadie?
Exactly and they load up their folks and trip to the Cleveland clinic. What does that tell ya? Bring all their wives and body guards and hit Cleveland.
There is no doubt in my mind that obesity which you leave out is not offset by fancier cath Labs. Childhood diabetes is booming here as is suicide. So what. Having "reformed" health insurance won't stop consumption of tons of junk foods. My daughter tried out for the Olympics in the heptathlon. Many of her classmates are chunky. We all go to the same hospitals. Our three children have had 10 friends die in the last few years. Not a single death could be prevented by an improved health insurance system.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
**** Are the NCO and AWCF "raiding" the UPCI or providing a "safety net"? **** SDG The D.A.'s Office 373 02-06-2012 01:01 AM
"Kill Him", "Treason", "Off With His Head!" Jermyn Davidson Political Talk 114 10-17-2008 11:17 PM
What Does "Joint" or "Fellow" Heirs with Christ? Praxeas Fellowship Hall 2 01-13-2008 02:12 AM
It seems the word "Seperation" varies as much as "Holiness" does??? revrandy Fellowship Hall 20 09-29-2007 12:39 PM
Seven kids get "it" or "Him" at youth camp Sherri Fellowship Hall 10 07-16-2007 01:57 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.