Anyone For Any Interesting Theological Debates? - Page 3

Raven · #1 06-07-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

No, THAT was a weak answer. You did not refute a thing I said. You can say "the moon is made of green cheese" a million times and that would not make it true.

Prove it is a separation. Prove that it really matters or affects us from being closer to God. All you have done was make assertions so far and after I countered your argument you failed to directly address my points.

Prax
Take care my friend, your spirit is showing. As to answering, I didn't really see anything scriptural that needed to be refuted. You simply mentioned the translators and editors notes to the reader. Their reason isn't acceptable. Very simple! This is the God given word of God. I would like to preserve it the way He gave it ... His word, and not a substitute because of a Jewish superstition.

By the way is this scripture acceptable?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of the LORD for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Raven

lad · #2 06-09-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

No, THAT was a weak answer. You did not refute a thing I said. You can say "the moon is made of green cheese" a million times and that would not make it true.

Prove it is a separation. Prove that it really matters or affects us from being closer to God. All you have done was make assertions so far and after I countered your argument you failed to directly address my points.

YOU - SIR, JUST LIKE TO ARGUE!

..... and that "green cheese" argument .... can be applied to your comment also. By the way, do you ever stop and consider that you don't KNOW the person you're "speaking" to on these forums - sometimes your answers can come off so abrasive. Of course, if you stay true to course, then your answer to MY comment would then be some sort of "slam". I'm not sure where you are from... but I think maybe you have a very dominate (possibly argumentative) pastor/leader. Maybe not...and if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance! NOW don't get defensive - I'm just making a "point" ... that we sometimes answer these posts based on the emotion that they invoke in us!! Just an observer...

Joelel · #3 06-07-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Prax
That's a weak answer and a man of your intelligence knows it.

We wouldn't stand for that if they did that with anything else, such as ..... the name of Jesus in the New Testament. By replacing the name with a title we place another "degree of separation" between God and man. Another veil of separation between a God who desires to get closer to us, not further away. I appreciate your response but I thought it was 1Cor who wanted a discussion. Where is he?
Raven

You got that right,names should never be changed going from one language to an other.

Praxeas · #4 06-07-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Joelel

You got that right,names should never be changed going from one language to an other.

A name was not changed. That would be like changing Mike to Bob. LORD is not meant to be a name. The jews say "haShem" instead of saying Yahweh because of a belief that to say the name could risk irreverence.

The KJV translators followed that same practice by using the LORD. They do not hide the fact that the underlying Hebrew reads YHWH.

Either way I would like to know how we are all still so far from God because a bible we read says LORD and not Yahweh according to Raven.

TRFrance · #5 06-07-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Sure, 1C why not?

Not theological but give me some good input on this anomaly. We have posters on here worried about plunging necklines and rising hems. Hairdo's and hairdon't's. Nail polish or non. Make-up or paleface. And "such like". People are offended and disturbed by actions that are open to question and debate as to whether they are truly wrong.
But those same people will quote from a King James Bible where the eternal name [Yahweh] of God has been replaced with LORD 6,828 times! If you change the wording in the UPCI manual by one word it genders hours and days of debate, but the living, and inspired, Word of God is changed egregiously, and no one even cares. Why is that?
By the way, I'm not nor do I espouse the doctrines of the sacred name people. Just for your reference so we don't get off course here. Do we strain at gnats and end up swallowing the whole camel?
Raven

A comment and a question, Raven...

a.... You may already know this anyway but: The name of God is widely ASSUMED to be Yahweh, but it's not known with certainty, because the original writers of the OT manuscripts used the initials YHWH instead of writing out God's actual name... and we have interpolated the consonants "a" and "e" to come up with the "name" Yahweh. So none of us even know the how it was originally pronounced, so we cant know for sure what the original spoken name of God was. Even if you insist that Yahweh is His proper name, you really don't know that for sure.

b.... since you feel the King James translators have committed such a great transgression by replacing God's name with "LORD", what version of the Bible do you use, which has the "proper" name of God?

Raven · #6 06-07-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

A comment and a question, Raven...

a.... You may already know this anyway but: The name of God is widely ASSUMED to be Yahweh, but it's not known with certainty, because the original writers of the OT manuscripts used the initials YHWH instead of writing out God's actual name... and we have interpolated the consonants "a" and "e" to come up with the "name" Yahweh. So none of us even know the how it was originally pronounced, so we cant know for sure what the original spoken name of God was. Even if you insist that Yahweh is His proper name, you really don't know that for sure.

b.... since you feel the King James translators have committed such a great transgression by replacing God's name with "LORD", what version of the Bible do you use, which has the "proper" name of God?

TRFrance
Yes, I do know all the pros and cons about what the correct name of God should or should not be, but I simply asked why some can be disturbed over the supposed disregard of a modern day standard but don't mind that the word of God was changed. If we are in such doubt then perhaps we should no longer shout the most common praise word in any language, Hallelujah! Or even Jesus, since it is a derivitive of Yahweh. I'm not actually worried about the exact and correct pronunciation of the name, as I am of the fact we are inconsistant. As to a version? Of course, the KJV echoes through my dreams but as to a literal translation, I like The Emphasized Bible. That being said, all versions have to be read with care and prayer.
Raven

Joelel · #7 06-07-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

A comment and a question, Raven...

a.... You may already know this anyway but: The name of God is widely ASSUMED to be Yahweh, but it's not known with certainty, because the original writers of the OT manuscripts used the initials YHWH instead of writing out God's actual name... and we have interpolated the consonants "a" and "e" to come up with the "name" Yahweh. So none of us even know the how it was originally pronounced, so we cant know for sure what the original spoken name of God was. Even if you insist that Yahweh is His proper name, you really don't know that for sure.

b.... since you feel the King James translators have committed such a great transgression by replacing God's name with "LORD", what version of the Bible do you use, which has the "proper" name of God?

YHWH,Here it is, Y is for Ye ,H is for ho,W is for ws ,H is for huwa. His name is Yehowshuwa.Even Yahweh was shortened from Yehowshuwa to Yahweh.Yahweh is not pronounced the same as Yehowshuwa.

Praxeas · #8 06-08-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Joelel

YHWH,Here it is, Y is for Ye ,H is for ho,W is for ws ,H is for huwa. His name is Yehowshuwa.Even Yahweh was shortened from Yehowshuwa to Yahweh.Yahweh is not pronounced the same as Yehowshuwa.

Where do you get your information that Y is for Ye? He is for ho. W is for WS and He is for huwa?

And where do you get your information that Yahweh is shortened from Yehhowshuwa?

Joelel · #9 06-08-2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where do you get your information that Y is for Ye? He is for ho. W is for WS and He is for huwa?

And where do you get your information that Yahweh is shortened from Yehhowshuwa?

http://www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm

Joelel · #10 06-07-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Sure, 1C why not?

Not theological but give me some good input on this anomaly. We have posters on here worried about plunging necklines and rising hems. Hairdo's and hairdon't's. Nail polish or non. Make-up or paleface. And "such like". People are offended and disturbed by actions that are open to question and debate as to whether they are truly wrong.
But those same people will quote from a King James Bible where the eternal name [Yahweh] of God has been replaced with LORD 6,828 times! If you change the wording in the UPCI manual by one word it genders hours and days of debate, but the living, and inspired, Word of God is changed egregiously, and no one even cares. Why is that?
By the way, I'm not nor do I espouse the doctrines of the sacred name people. Just for your reference so we don't get off course here. Do we strain at gnats and end up swallowing the whole camel?
Raven

Oh well,meanings of words just give understanding.Many like to see where they are going and some like the darkness of man.