There is a provision in the Koran that allows a Muslim to lie, if in his heart he is steadfast in his faith as a Muslim.
Surah 16:106 "Whoever becomes an infidel in God after he believed, except one who was forced and his heart is secure in faith; but whoever opens his chest to the unbelief, the anger of God will be on them and they will have great torment."
That type of teaching, in itself, doesn't do a thing to settle the doubts regarding a difference between the moderate and radical Islamist.
The Bible teaches us not to lie. The Koran does not.
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President Apostate?
As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion.
Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.
Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.
His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).
But of all the well-meaning desires projected on Senator Obama, the hope that he would decisively improve relations with the world’s Muslims is the least realistic.
Jews, Christians, Muslims, all share the same history. They forked in the road along the way...
They do not share the same history. I hate to be blunt, but you seem slow. All Orthodox (All Means all) orthodox Muslims say Allah did not have a son.
Our biblical history (mine and other saints) says history is correct when Jesus was born as The Son Of God. God manifest in the flesh.
Jews not redeemed and all Muslims have a different history.
We do not have the same history. They tell a different story of Ishmael.
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Not sure why you're coming to that conclusion. All religions may claim a history, including Islam, but it wasn't a recognized religion until 6th Century. Either way, we KNOW it wasn't a recognized religion at the time of Abram.
Who is this we? You? Just because you don't know the historical accounts doesn't mean It began at that time. Uneducated non Muslims assume Mohammad started the Mess. No he was called the Prophet Mohammad and added what he claimed were revelations from the Angel Gabriel to the history of Allahs people. Joseph Smith claimed a vision from the Angel maroni and in the Book of Mormon describes the begginning of their religion before 1861.
It is not my conclusion. It is the Muslims conclusion. It annoys Muslims when non muslims make up stuff about them that is from Wikipedia and other secular sources.
There is a provision in the Koran that allows a Muslim to lie, if in his heart he is steadfast in his faith as a Muslim.
Surah 16:106 "Whoever becomes an infidel in God after he believed, except one who was forced and his heart is secure in faith; but whoever opens his chest to the unbelief, the anger of God will be on them and they will have great torment."
That type of teaching, in itself, doesn't do a thing to settle the doubts regarding a difference between the moderate and radical Islamist.
The Bible teaches us not to lie. The Koran does not.
And THAT from the NEW YORK TIMES.
The Imam in New York is saying things in Arabic that do not match what he says in English.
Your reference to dishonesty is funny but real. The early Muslims were hijacking products and stealing stuff that was in transit with the east. Just like the somalian Pirates today. Hiway robbers.
Jews, Christians, Muslims, all share the same history. They forked in the road along the way...
The whole story of Abraham and the sacrifice appears in just one passage in the Qur'an and we shall quote it in full. It begins with Abraham speaking:
"O my Lord! grant me a righteous (son)!" So we gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou wilt find me, if God so wills one practicing Patience and Constancy!" So when they had both submitted their wills (to God), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice), We called out to him, "O Abraham! Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right. For this was obviously a trial - and We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice: and We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times: "Peace and salutation to Abraham!" Thus indeed do We reward those who do right. For he was one of Our believing Servants. And We gave him the good news of Isaac - a prophet, - one of the Righteous. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to their own souls. Surah 37.100-113 .
I quote the Quran.
The sparing of Ishmael’s life is celebrated with the festival Eid ul-Adha. When God spared Ishmael, the boy was replaced with a ram – it is because of this Muslims make animal sacrifices during the festival.
Ishmael is highly regarded in Islam for his goodness and wisdom. After wandering in the desert with his mother – Hagar’s search for water is reenacted during the Hajj each year – they settled in Mecca. There it is believed Ishmael built the Ka’aba with Abraham.
Hajj, the pilgrimage to Mecca, is one of the greatest religious observances in Islam. So Muslims celebrate Hajj, journey to mecca and recognize their deal from Father Ibraham.
Come on socialite. Explain why they have a religion that started with Abram and still by the millions hit Mecca?
10 cent psych labels?
When pretend conservatives start adopting leftie labels it shows.
Phobias are grouped under anxiety disorders.
It is obvious when men adopt the worlds viewpoints. It grieved Rebecca when Esau married a non Israelite. That fits under your label Islamophobia.
Christians learn separation.
Please study the bible and you will find religion, the economy and the military are all comingled and attached untill America came along. Most Americans do not know Muslims well enough to understand the Koran is a religious, legal and military document. When God had King Saul told to destroy the Amelekites, it was because they were both military and religious adversaries.
God wasn't playing pretend tolerance and allow them to keep their "groves, false gods and get along.
So when did "Islamophobia" end in the bible or in post biblical history for the seed and offspring of Abraham?
Just as long as people who think like this have their god and their guns their ok.
Don't bother threatening their world with the pesky details of everyday life in a GOD BLESSED country that codifies certain rights for ALL American citizens.
Just give me my guns and religion! You can keep the change!
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no just the ones that want to cut our heads off.... like the Muslim Brotherhood... which is the primary group behind Rauf...
by the way, MB has clearly and openly stated they intend to use our openness and liberty against us to bring about Sharia.
It's my understanding that all Muslims are awaiting the al-Mahdi. The Sunni and Shiite sects have differing views about his origin though. The more radical Muslims believe it is their religious duty to destablize the world in preparation for his coming.
My concern is that we kind of assume that the more moderate Muslims are "safe". However, how "safe" will our moderate friends be if one claiming to be the al-Mahdi rises to power in the Islamic world?
Saw this on The Daily Show last night as I was flipping channels, thought it pertinent to this situation:
"The Second Amendment. There can be no more precious inheritance. That's what the NRA preserves. Now, if you disagree, that's your right and I respect that. But we will not relinquish it or be silenced about it, or be told, "Do not come here. You are unwelcome in your own land."
As the bit said, replace the 2nd Amendment with the 1st Amendment and "NRA" with "Muslims", and it still holds true today.
Here is a link to Heston's full speech. There are a lot of good points that can be applied to this situation:
It's my understanding that all Muslims are awaiting the al-Mahdi. The Sunni and Shiite sects have differing views about his origin though. The more radical Muslims believe it is their religious duty to destablize the world in preparation for his coming.
My concern is that we kind of assume that the more moderate Muslims are "safe". However, how "safe" will our moderate friends be if one claiming to be the al-Mahdi rises to power in the Islamic world?
The moderates could prove to be land mines.
ouch. interesting.
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Saw this on The Daily Show last night as I was flipping channels, thought it pertinent to this situation:
"The Second Amendment. There can be no more precious inheritance. That's what the NRA preserves. Now, if you disagree, that's your right and I respect that. But we will not relinquish it or be silenced about it, or be told, "Do not come here. You are unwelcome in your own land."
As the bit said, replace the 2nd Amendment with the 1st Amendment and "NRA" with "Muslims", and it still holds true today.
Here is a link to Heston's full speech. There are a lot of good points that can be applied to this situation:
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