Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[Jay]

I do not celebrate the pagan side of Easter. I know that the date is not exact, however any time that Passover and Easter occur within the same seven day time frame (with Easter following Passover) then it is in the right place at the right time. I have often felt that it would be best if every year we celebrated Eater the Sunday after Passover.

[mfblume]

Aquila, Law of Moses and Law of God are synonymous in the New Testament, except in 1 Cor 9 where in Parentheses Paul says he is not without law though He said He does not live under the Law for them who are not under law.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

REVEREND Blume. Dang. I appreciate your argument, but the dearth of the actual word Sabbath in that slavery-pointing-out quote just seems to point to other observances of "days, and months, and times, and years..." seems like the...annulment? of a Command would come a bit more officially.

Please understand that I would prefer to not have a wall between me and you pagan, misguided, Sunday-shleppers, though; I will keep praying for you (from my position, On High : ) ok, a low wall.
electrified.
oh, and can you keep your kids away from my kids?
lol

Byrd...I just have to take a sec to say, you just amaze me. I am never curious on forums about people as far as what they do not choose to reveal... but your posts make me want to know your gender, age, family status..and even see your picture, lol... because every time I think I have you sort of pegged even for a minute you go off in some other direction...

Enjoying the ride!

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Jay

I do not celebrate the pagan side of Easter. I know that the date is not exact, however any time that Passover and Easter occur within the same seven day time frame (with Easter following Passover) then it is in the right place at the right time. I have often felt that it would be best if every year we celebrated Eater the Sunday after Passover.

And I am content to not celebrate but rather aim for a time of quiet reflection on the cross, the tomb, and ultimately the Resurrection! I find it to be the most sacred and joyful time of all for a Christian. He has done so much for me that I can never, ever repay.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Aquila, Law of Moses and Law of God are synonymous in the New Testament, except in 1 Cor 9 where in Parentheses Paul says he is not without law though He said He does not live under the Law for them who are not under law.

We who are saved are saved by grace through faith. We are justified by faith in Christ apart from the Law. We agree this far. However, we are called to "holiness". We are to sanctify ourselves from all sin. John clearly explains that sin is "transgression of the law". What "law"? According to you, the moral Law of God and the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and is no longer binding. So what "law" can be transgressed against if this is so? There has to be an eternal, set, and clear moral law whereby sinners and saints alike are judged. Your argument is typical of Antinomian OSAS believers who believe there are no laws for believers to obey, therefore they can do anything and live in any manner arguing no law stands against them. Please define how sin is transgression of the law if no law applies to us.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Byrd...you go off in some other direction...

Ha, I have no idea where that came from. My userpage will answer everything but "single," lol.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

We who are saved are saved by grace through faith. We are justified by faith in Christ apart from the Law. We agree this far. However, we are called to "holiness". We are to sanctify ourselves from all sin. John clearly explains that sin is "transgression of the law". What "law"? According to you, the moral Law of God and the Law of Moses was nailed to the cross and is no longer binding.

The bible does not make a distinction between moral law and Law of Moses. Law is Law, whether it is of Moses or modern denominations. Law is the efforts of human beings through actions to obtain Life. The issue is good or evil under ANY law. Paul took Laws from the Old Covenant, but we can take ANY LAW that is intended to encourage effort on our behalf to obtain Life from God.

While Law is good or evil, whether it is from Moses' hand or not, the real issue is Life or Death. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil basically is a source for learning what is good and what is bad in order for us to use human will power to do the good and avoid the bad.

So, Law in any form or manner is knowledge of good and evil. And if we eat of that tree we die.

Grace is LIFE.

So what "law" can be transgressed against if this is so? There has to be an eternal, set, and clear moral law whereby sinners and saints alike are judged. Your argument is typical of Antinomian OSAS believers who believe there are no laws for believers to obey, therefore they can do anything and live in any manner arguing no law stands against them. Please define how sin is transgression of the law if no law applies to us.

Your response here is typical of a taste of legalism.

The all important truth is that law is human effort making oneself progress or improve oneself before God. ANY Law urges that. Grace is divine empowerment. Grace is where we walk after the Spirit and we realize we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh as a result! The very thing law tried to produce in us is produced without reliance on codebook obedience of LAW (of any kind), but rather by yielding to the power of God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Aquila, Law of Moses and Law of God are synonymous in the New Testament, except in 1 Cor 9 where in Parentheses Paul says he is not without law though He said He does not live under the Law for them who are not under law.

You never answered my questions. They are easily answered if you recall that the Law of God was placed inside the ark under the mercy seat...and the Law of Moses was place in the side of the ark. The Law of God was written by God Himself on tables of stone, signifying their enduring nature. The Law of Moses was written by Moses on parchment, signifying their temporary nature. Notice...they were SEPARATED. Notice they are DISTINCT. The Law of Moses was for the nation of Israel, the moral Law of God is for all mankind, defining sin, until the end of the age.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The bible does not make a distinction between moral law and Law of Moses. Law is Law, whether it is of Moses or modern denominations. Law is the efforts of human beings through actions to obtain Life. The issue is good or evil under ANY law. Paul took Laws from the Old Covenant, but we can take ANY LAW that is intended to encourage effort on our behalf to obtain Life from God.

While Law is good or evil, whether it is from Moses' hand or not, the real issue is Life or Death. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil basically is a source for learning what is good and what is bad in order for us to use human will power to do the good and avoid the bad.

So, Law in any form or manner is knowledge of good and evil. And if we eat of that tree we die.

Grace is LIFE.

Your response here is typical of a taste of legalism.

The all important truth is that law is human effort making oneself progress or improve oneself before God. ANY Law urges that. Grace is divine empowerment. Grace is where we walk after the Spirit and we realize we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh as a result! The very thing law tried to produce in us is produced without reliance on codebook obedience of LAW (of any kind), but rather by yielding to the power of God.

You're avoiding the questions.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You’re not telling our readers about lunar sabbaths nor that the feast days were often called “sabbaths”. Not every time we read the word “sabbaths” is the writer talking about the seventh day Sabbath of the LORD.

Paul said "sabbaths". That covers all of them.

The writer of Acts calls the Sabbath…”the sabbath”. Luke never writes, “their sabbath” or “the sabbath of the Jews”.

It is OLD CREATION sabbath.

Totally different subject. Even in your paradigm, Paul keeps the Sabbath in Christ. Correct?

It does not apply. Keeping sabbath day law is the result of human urge to make oneself refrain. That is not the case in the sabbath of Christ, except refraining from law-keeping.

Ah…but you forget that Jesus is teaching rabbinically. Thus Jesus is interpreting the Law of God with reference to it pertaining to thought, word, and deed. In essence, Jesus is reminding them of the “spirit of the law”. Jesus isn’t nullifying the Law of God.

I am not forgetting what is not there. lol

I never said Jesus nullified LAW. Jesus was contrasting his commandments from Law they heard before. Law is finished. The system of self urging self fits any law that exists! It is oldness of the letter to keep ANY law. We are to serve in newness of Spirit. Serving in newness of Spirit is to rely upon the divine empowerment within us that is present in the Holy Ghost baptism. It is following through with Romans 6:13.

Again, you’re not distinguishing between the Law of Moses and the Law of God.

There is no difference.

Circumcision is only found in the Law of Moses, not the Law of God (the Ten Commandments). Therefore, again, in context Paul is addressing the Law of Moses.

No difference. Law is Law. It is codebook religion. It is flesh urging flesh by fleshly will power to do good. It is devoid of God's Spirit within living through us as we cooperate with Him to do His will.

Also, Sabbath Keepers are not “justified” by the Law.

Matters not. It is self urging self to do and to refrain.