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Old 05-23-2007, 05:06 PM
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The only ones with a good vibe of an apostolics are self proclaimed apostolics. My observation has been substantiated across the the country. At least one poster who admitted to conservative leanings admitted to a similar situation. Jim Yohe documented a similar situation in his book Believer's Bootcamp.

I promise as soon as someone outside the Sacred Circle of the Self Righteous tells me their definition of apostolic lines up with your definition of apostolic, I will post it.

As far as the wal-mart comment is concerned, speaking from a legalistic view, a view you feel the most comfortable with, you did not say Wal-mart employees were stupid. However you left a lot of insinuations that a person who thinks of an apostolic as a legalist is ignornat. It was only a matter of time before you trod that old familiar path of self righteous superiority by lumping wal-mart employees into a sub superior cast of people because they don't buy into your dillusion.

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There is no reason to question the validity of the initial post. It is universal, and it is documented.

One again I beseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech thee by the mercies of God, to stop trying to find loopholes because there aren't any. The entire board is familiar with the legalistic tactic of attack and divert. The facts are the world doesn't buy your illusion. I get the feeling you would rather dance around the issue like a ballet dancer in a biker bar than address the issue.

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Carry on with your defense based entirely of what you say the world thinks.

Your arguement is subjective and so can not be proved or disproved.

Carry on.

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tv1a YOU said walmart employees were stupid, not me.
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Old 05-23-2007, 05:14 PM
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This morning I had breakfast with a brother that walks at a local walking track every morning. He told me about an incident that happened this morning.

There are two older guys that walk at the same track and one of them wasn't there this morning so my friend, the Apostolic brother, was walking with the old gent and as they talked the old man said "I figure you must be a Christian because I don't ever see you wearing short pants and a tank top".

What the World Sees as Apostolic.

It just depends whose world you are living in.


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Old 05-23-2007, 07:48 PM
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This morning I had breakfast with a brother that walks at a local walking track every morning. He told me about an incident that happened this morning.

There are two older guys that walk at the same track and one of them wasn't there this morning so my friend, the Apostolic brother, was walking with the old gent and as they talked the old man said "I figure you must be a Christian because I don't ever see you wearing short pants and a tank top".

What the World Sees as Apostolic.

It just depends whose world you are living in.


Why would this surprise you? He said Christan, not Apostolic, all Christan have standards, the difference is most don't believe or teach them as salvation, nor built a whole doctoring out of, heaven/hell~
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Old 05-23-2007, 09:40 PM
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This morning I had breakfast with a brother that walks at a local walking track every morning. He told me about an incident that happened this morning.

There are two older guys that walk at the same track and one of them wasn't there this morning so my friend, the Apostolic brother, was walking with the old gent and as they talked the old man said "I figure you must be a Christian because I don't ever see you wearing short pants and a tank top".

What the World Sees as Apostolic.

It just depends whose world you are living in.


Thank you for this heart warming testimony.
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:07 PM
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The topic is how the lost defines apostolics. Don't try to bait and switch. The topic is how the world defines apostolic. Your post says what an elderly gentleman definition of a CHRISTIAN.

What the world sees as apostolic is different than your dillusion.

Nice try. How about tackling the subject instead of trying to change the topic while appearing to say the same thing. THere is a reason you can't use the word apostolic in your story, because the story would be a fabrication if you did. Instead you attempt to slide in the word christian and hope to pray we are dumb enough to think the elderly gentleman meant apostolic.

Back to the drawing board. Thank God you are not a lawyer...

So far every one of your post shows I'm not the one living in Never Never Land.

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This morning I had breakfast with a brother that walks at a local walking track every morning. He told me about an incident that happened this morning.

There are two older guys that walk at the same track and one of them wasn't there this morning so my friend, the Apostolic brother, was walking with the old gent and as they talked the old man said "I figure you must be a Christian because I don't ever see you wearing short pants and a tank top".

What the World Sees as Apostolic.

It just depends whose world you are living in.


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Old 05-23-2007, 10:13 PM
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Proves my pioint again. Thnx a lot.
This get so old, tv1a same old issue yet they still can't give bible proof~....
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:18 PM
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Cupcake, His goal was to redefine the arugument by change one word. Sort of like the strategy Satan used against Even in the Garden of Eden. You hit the nail on the head.

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Why would this surprise you? He said Christan, not Apostolic, all Christan have standards, the difference is most don't believe or teach them as salvation, nor built a whole doctoring out of, heaven/hell~
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Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:19 PM
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Their methodolgies are so transparent even a caveman can see through it.

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This get so old, tv1a same old issue yet they still can't give bible proof~....
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:28 PM
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Cupcake, His goal was to redefine the arugument by change one word. Sort of like the strategy Satan used against Even in the Garden of Eden. You hit the nail on the head.
As you can see, I yet to get an answer, or a scripture to this so called outward teaching of dress, Gods one and only true sign that someone belongs to Him, before all mankind. Nor have they shown proof that the bible teaches it as salvations, heaven/ hell. In fact they have dance around this for two years now, yet can't bring forth info......

Not good to add or take from Gods perfect grace and Agape (Jesus) ~

Yes they really do preach another gospel, another way unto Jesus, other then by grace, as Jesus and his apostles taught ~
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Old 05-23-2007, 10:35 PM
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Their methodologies are so transparent even a caveman can see through it.
Yep~ Agree, their methodologies may work on a newbie in Christ, but some of us been in this for over 23 years, sixteen as a lic UPC pastor. So please already, we know the trick words, the twisting of details and scripture to read as truth, even if it's untruth , and by passing the subject.... Yes I too play their game once~ It's called power and control through means of fear, a hard thing to give up~
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