Standards - Page 21

ApostolicKitty · #**201** 03-19-2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

No, we must teach the saints to WALK IN THE SPIRIT, not just give them a list of do's and dont's. If they are walking in the Spirit, they are soon qualifying to be an elder themselves and the Lord will teach them modesty.(with our example)

I actually agree with this... The problem is that most apostolic churches do not teach the principled of walking in the spirit, only the "obey your pastor"... and are not allowed to question.

Steve Epley · #**202** 03-19-2015, 02:22 PM

Pass a store if the merchandise is in the window it is generally for sale.

ApostolicKitty · #**203** 03-19-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

A statement I have heard hundreds of times " she must be backslid she cut her hair and has on pants".

Some of the women who had "higher dress codes" (see below), but not humble attitudes used to approach me to gossip about people wh they thought backslid. I was always a bit shocked because I was not like them. They must have assumed I was.

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

And by the way - I certainly don't look down on ANYONE who holds a higher dress code than me, if they do it with humbleness of heart. I admire that! However, one who keeps a dress code with a "holier than thou" attitude does not receive respect at all.... I respect the attitude with which one employs their personal convictions more than the actual application of their conviction.

ApostolicKitty · #**204** 03-19-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Many times I believe that OP ladies feel under attack by others, and that may be were you feel that holier than thou attitude. The large majority of OP ladies that I know personally are all wonderful people who hold to their values and show lots of love to others. I don't know what your personal experiences have been, but I am sorry if some one has ever been mean and offensive.

Brother, I cannot tell you how many times I got strange looks from both men and women, not only before I became apostolic, but when I first started attending apostolic churches just because I did not "look the part". Not only that, but I was snubbed, even once I started to look more like them. I didn't care enough about it to let it affect me, but I am strong-willed that way. Some are not. Some actually give a hoot what other people think and want to fit in. I don't believe it was because they felt under attack. Lord knows I was certainly not attacking them. I would look them straight in the eye and smile... and they would look through me like I wasn't even there. Not sure where you have been, but apparently, they were not the same places I was... or it could even be because you are a man. IDK.

shazeep · #**205** 03-19-2015, 02:56 PM

yes, i am male, and i perceive that there is a divide there, that men may not grasp.

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Pass a store if the merchandise is in the window it is generally for sale.

there you go. So, it is most likely originating from the elders; this 'holier than them' attitude. Nevermind that they actually had the--misguided, imo--courage to 'darken your door,' huh.

ApostolicKitty · #**206** 03-19-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Its strange that Christian men can take their shirts off in public(bare chested)...

Why cant women?(bare chested)

Dont our Christian women have the same rights as men?

Or is something different between the sexes' that should remain covered for moral reasons?

Some christian men have no problem with women in bikini or halter tops.

Why wear them at all if upper body nakedness does not matter to God!

This argument is silly. I don't know of one single apostolic man who would ever take his shirt off in public.... unless you are that man, Sean???

ApostolicKitty · #**207** 03-19-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

eventually, it will be common for men to wear skirts like women do.

It already is... in some places like Scotland... and the French Quarter, depending on which street you go on and what time of day.

whoiskaiser77 · #**208** 03-19-2015, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Pass a store if the merchandise is in the window it is generally for sale.

I think I agree with you but I just am not sure what you mean by this statement.

Women and men should practice modesty and there is a difference between when a man takes off his shirt and when a woman does the same thing.

shazeep · #**209** 03-19-2015, 08:05 PM

Mr Epley is quite obviously making a judgement call. This does not mean that he is incorrect, per se; but it speaks to a prevalent pov.

good samaritan · #**210** 03-20-2015, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

Brother, I cannot tell you how many times I got strange looks from both men and women, not only before I became apostolic, but when I first started attending apostolic churches just because I did not "look the part". Not only that, but I was snubbed, even once I started to look more like them. I didn't care enough about it to let it affect me, but I am strong-willed that way. Some are not. Some actually give a hoot what other people think and want to fit in. I don't believe it was because they felt under attack. Lord knows I was certainly not attacking them. I would look them straight in the eye and smile... and they would look through me like I wasn't even there. Not sure where you have been, but apparently, they were not the same places I was... or it could even be because you are a man. IDK.

All the Pentecostal ladies I am associated with will throng guests to make them feel welcome (no matter how they look). After someone has entered into a covenant with Jesus then it is natural for people to expect to see a lifestyle change, or at least the start of one. For many OP's that means how you dress. I don't believe most are meaning to be mean at all. Sometimes it may be viewed as they are judging, but if a new convert continued in what you define as sin wouldn't that cause you to doubt.

If a person you knew after coming to Jesus only wore stringy halter tops and super mini skirts that just barely covered their drawers, would that cause you to wonder. You may not say anything, but if that continued over a extended period of time, would you have trouble viewing this person as a saint in the Lord. If someone comes into our assemblies and wants to be a recognized member, and they don't agree with the church's teaching then they should expect that it is going to cause some funny looks.

A church should not change its standards to make people happy, but only to have biblical accuracy. I read recently that a large Presbyterian denom. recently changed their bylaws to include homosexuals. The world wants us to drop every biblical position that we hold until we no longer have an identity. Essentially John the baptist was beheaded because he condemned Herod for telling him he was wrong.

I know there is more to a person then what they wear. I want to be holy in all manner of conversation, and that means in our lifestyle. In every part of my life I need to live uprightly before God.