Rejoicing In the Sabbath:

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Interesting poem...

It's Jewish
Uriah Smith (circa mid to late 1800's)
[Some words have been changed without changing the context or meaning.]

When we present G-d's holy law,
And arguments from scripture draw,
Objectors say, to pick a flaw,
'It's Jewish.'

Though at the first Most High blessed
And sanctified His day of rest,
The same belief is still expressed,
'It's Jewish.'

Though with the world this rest began,
And thence through all Scriptures ran,
And Yeshua said "'twas made for man"--
'It's Jewish.'

Though not with Jewish rites,
which passed,
But with the moral law 'twas classed,
Which must exist while time shall last,
'It's Jewish.'

If from the Bible we present
The Sabbath's meaning and intent,
This answers every argument--
'It's Jewish.'

Though the disciples, Luke and Paul,
Continue still this rest to call
The 'Sabbath day', this answers all:
'It's Jewish.'

The good news teacher's plain expression,
That " Sin is of the law's transgression,"
Seems not to make the least impression--
'It's Jewish.'

They love the rest of man's invention,
But if the L-RD's day we mention,
This puts an end to all contention:
'It's Jewish.'

O ye who thus G-D's day abuse,
Simply because 'twas kept by Jews,
The Saviour, too, you must refuse,
He's Jewish.

The Scriptures, then, we may expect
For the same reason you'll reject;
For if you will but recollect,
They're Jewish.

Thus the apostles, too, must fall;
For Andrew, Peter, James, and Paul,
Thomas, Matthew, John, and all
Were Jewish.

So to your helpless state resign
Yourself in wretchedness to pine;
Salvation, surely you'll decline,
It's Jewish.

[Scott Hutchinson]

If you brothers and sisters have a conviction on this issue,I rejoice with you,I don't see it the way you do,I won't belittle you for your opinion.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

If you brothers and sisters have a conviction on this issue,I rejoice with you,I don't see it the way you do,I won't belittle you for your opinion.

That's a very respectful position. Thank you!

Do you believe that the Ten Commandments are applicable today?

[Scott Hutchinson]

I do believe that God does have moral principles for us today and I do believe the principles contain in the 10 commandments are applicable for us today,except I don't see The Sabbath binding for believers,but I could be wrong.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Do you believe that the Ten Commandments are applicable today?

Yup. To me. I apply them to me. I apply Grace to everyone else. I hope.
Grace to you.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I don't condone this fellow,but he does make some interesting points.
http://jesus-messiah.com/html/sabbath.html

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I do believe that God does have moral principles for us today and I do believe the principles contain in the 10 commandments are applicable for us today,except I don't see The Sabbath binding for believers,but I could be wrong.

Do you believe that if we break a portion of the Law we've broken the whole Law?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Yup. To me. I apply them to me. I apply Grace to everyone else. I hope.
Grace to you.

LOL

Great line of logic.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I don't condone this fellow,but he does make some interesting points.
http://jesus-messiah.com/html/sabbath.html

Scott,

I’m reading the article you posted. However, I have an issue from the outset. I’m going to read it again and share my thoughts. However, this first paragraph clashed with my understanding. Here’s the paragraph:

The New Testament Church is under no obligation to observe the weekly Sabbath day that existed under the Law. The New Testament Church does not have a weekly Sabbath day. Sunday is not the Sabbath day and does not replace the Law Sabbath Day. No day replaced the Sabbath day when it ended. It is Jesus himself who replaced the Sabbath. Jesus gives us the true Sabbath when we cease from our works of sin. It is therefore false for anyone to claim Saturday or Sunday is the Sabbath of the New Testament Church.

Below is a list showing how Luke used the term “Sabbath” in the book of Acts:

Acts 13:14
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44
And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13
And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2
And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4
And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Please note… Luke always refers to “the sabbath” or the "sabbath day". Luke never states, “their sabbath”. Nor does Luke write, “the sabbath of the Jews”. Luke identifies the Sabbath as indeed being the Sabbath. To say that it is “false for anyone to claim Saturday or Sunday is the Sabbath of the New Testament Church” leaves me wondering, Why then do the writers of the New Testament testify to the seventh day indeed being the Sabbath in their writings? Luke understood, and wrote, that the Sabbath day was indeed… the Sabbath day.

Prior to the Council of Nicea we read in the Ante-Nicene Fathers,

"Have before thine eyes the fear of God, and always remember the ten commandments of God, - to love the one and only Lord God with all thy strength; to give no heed to idols, or any other beings, as being lifeless gods, or irrational beings or demons. Consider the manifold workmanship of God, which received its beginning through Christ. Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence; it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for the idleness of the hands." (Ante-Nicene Fathers, Volume 7, p. 413, 1951 edition).

It should be noted that history demonstrates that throughout Judea most Jew and Gentile believers observed the Sabbath AND often met in homes throughout the week (yes, including the first day). We only see Romanized Gentile believers rejecting the Jewish Sabbath. It is this same body of believers who came to comprise the Church of Rome, support Constantine’s edict in 321, and the proclamation of anathema from the Roman Church against anyone observing the seventh day as the Sabbath. I posted those references in a previous post. Now…compare that sentiment with that found in the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers who guided the faithful prior to the Nicene Council. Doesn’t that shift in thinking bring us some reason to pause and really examine what is going on here? You’ll notice that false doctrines of the Godhead were emerging. Along with false doctrines of church authority (rise of the Papacy). The history of those who held to the Sabbath is a bloody one. We see the persecution of Sabbath keepers stretching well into the 1800’s and perhaps even the early 1900’s.

I’m not sure that this author has any real foundation upon which to stand when he writes, “It is therefore false for anyone to claim Saturday or Sunday is the Sabbath of the New Testament Church.”, especially when Luke himself identifies the seventh day as being "the sabbath" throughout the book of Acts.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Yup. To me. I apply them to me. I apply Grace to everyone else. I hope.
Grace to you.

Ditto.

I simply can not find any scriptural justification for Sunday worship. I do find a lot in history proving that Sunday worship was started with a deliberate intention to undermine true Christianity.

When looking for a time for worship unstained by corruption, Sabbath stands alone as a God ordained day of rest and worship. Simple, really, for me anyway.