Unbound: The Conscience of a Republican Delegate

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

This posted in defense of a man who bragged about committing adultery with married women. A man who owned and operated a strip club. And a man who routinely slanders opponents, critics, journalists, and other citizens.

Sanford wasn't criticising Trump's morals, he was challenging Trump's knowledge of the constitution, which doesn't require Sanford to be pure as the driven snow.

And again we have "I don't support Trump" standing in defense over and over for Trump.

I DON'T support Trump, and I am not defending him. I am pointing out the hypocrisy you republicans demonstrate over and over again.

I mean, it's like debating a 5 year old. Even if you win hands down, they can't see it whatsoever.

Don't you people understand THE ENTIRE ELECTION IS A CHARADE?

No, of course you don't.

Well, VOTE HARDER!

lol

[n david]

Yes, yes. Behind every shrub is a conspiracy.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

If they succeed and Trump doesn't get the nomination...it will not just be this election the GOP loses. It will be a lasting scar. We will lose the next midterms as well.

Not that people like PO or ndavid actually care. More and more they just come off as caricatures instead of real people.

No one likes Trump. However, everyone (except dillusional Cruz supporters) recognizes that Hillary is worse than Trump in every way. Istill don't plan to vote for Trump at the moment, but watching these two continue to fight for the failed Cruz candidacy is just mindnumbing.

Liberals win, and will apparently always win, because they are happy to elect a liberal who can give them 3 or 4 things they want even if they fail to give them a dozen other things. Conservatives like PO though...you either meet 100% of their criteria or you get no support. Handing elections to liberals every time. Congrats. You and your "principles" hold the libs hands as they pull thehandle and flush our right sand our nation down the toilet. Hooray for you.

If Trump is flipped and the nomination is handed to someone else, it will not be Cruz. It will be an establishment guy. And it will be a disaster. It will be like watching Dole try to run against Clinton. It was a sad, pathetic joke. Despite his monumental flaws and shortcomings...at leastTrump appears to be willing to fight Hillary, defend our borders and defend the 2nd amendment. Maybe not...but we KNOW for certain HIllary will go after those rights with all her heart.

You don't care though. You just care about being right in your own eyes and destroying Trump no matter how badly it damages the party. I hate Trump. I don't plan on voting for him. That doesn't mean I will be fighting against him either though. He may be terrible, but Hillary is evil. If a terrible man can stomp that evil woman...then so be it. I won't cheer for him, but I would rather have him win than Hillary. That I would have to mourn.

again...you don't care though. All you care about is that your little man crush Cruz got beaten and you can't stand it. So you pout, rant and do all you can to destroy the guy who beat him clearly. Anything to avoid accepting the fact that Cruz was and is unlikable and a failed candidate.

Perfectly articulated.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

If they succeed and Trump doesn't get the nomination...it will not just be this election the GOP loses. It will be a lasting scar. We will lose the next midterms as well.

Not that people like PO or ndavid actually care. More and more they just come off as caricatures instead of real people.

No one likes Trump. However, everyone (except dillusional Cruz supporters) recognizes that Hillary is worse than Trump in every way. Istill don't plan to vote for Trump at the moment, but watching these two continue to fight for the failed Cruz candidacy is just mindnumbing.

Liberals win, and will apparently always win, because they are happy to elect a liberal who can give them 3 or 4 things they want even if they fail to give them a dozen other things. Conservatives like PO though...you either meet 100% of their criteria or you get no support. Handing elections to liberals every time. Congrats. You and your "principles" hold the libs hands as they pull thehandle and flush our right sand our nation down the toilet. Hooray for you.

If Trump is flipped and the nomination is handed to someone else, it will not be Cruz. It will be an establishment guy. And it will be a disaster. It will be like watching Dole try to run against Clinton. It was a sad, pathetic joke. Despite his monumental flaws and shortcomings...at leastTrump appears to be willing to fight Hillary, defend our borders and defend the 2nd amendment. Maybe not...but we KNOW for certain HIllary will go after those rights with all her heart.

You don't care though. You just care about being right in your own eyes and destroying Trump no matter how badly it damages the party. I hate Trump. I don't plan on voting for him. That doesn't mean I will be fighting against him either though. He may be terrible, but Hillary is evil. If a terrible man can stomp that evil woman...then so be it. I won't cheer for him, but I would rather have him win than Hillary. That I would have to mourn.

again...you don't care though. All you care about is that your little man crush Cruz got beaten and you can't stand it. So you pout, rant and do all you can to destroy the guy who beat him clearly. Anything to avoid accepting the fact that Cruz was and is unlikable and a failed candidate.

Good talk! Oh, snap, I thought we were back in 2012, fearing mongering with ORomney. My bad!

BTW, can you explain your little public service announcement here:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I hate Trump. I don't plan on voting for him.

• You hate Trump.
• You aren't voting for him.

Got it! WUT?! LOL! You are ranting in favor of a candidate you have no intention of voting for? Silly rabbit. Save your breath and energy.

And while you are ranting, let's look at some facts:

• A WHOLE LOT MORE people came out to vote in the 2016 Primaries
• Trump won A LOT of votes
• Trump received MORE votes AGAINST him
• Trump couldn't receive A THIRD of the Primary votes until everyone dropped out.
• After everyone dropped out, Trump still COULDN'T CROSS 44%
• The WILL OF THE PEOPLE who were the majority voted AGAINST Trump

We are headed to lose against Hillary anyway, so let's be bold, take our chances and #FreeTheDelegates.

As I have already stated, if we free the delegates and Trump wins the nomination, so be it. Let's at least get this process corrected now and for the future. We should never bind delegates to a candidate. Trump shows how a candidate can turn even more sour as time moves forward.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good talk! Oh, snap, I thought we were back in 2012, fearing mongering with ORomney. My bad!

BTW, can you explain your little public service announcement here:

• You hate Trump.
• You aren't voting for him.

Got it! WUT?! LOL! You are ranting in favor of a candidate you have no intention of voting for? Silly rabbit. Save your breath and energy.

And while you are ranting, let's look at some facts:

• A WHOLE LOT MORE people came out to vote in the 2016 Primaries
• Trump won A LOT of votes
• Trump received MORE votes AGAINST him
• Trump couldn't receive A THIRD of the Primary votes until everyone dropped out.
• After everyone dropped out, Trump still COULDN'T CROSS 44%
• The WILL OF THE PEOPLE who were the majority voted AGAINST Trump

We are headed to lose against Hillary anyway, so let's be bold, take our chances and #FreeTheDelegates.

As I have already stated, if we free the delegates and Trump wins the nomination, so be it. Let's at least get this process corrected now and for the future. We should never bind delegates to a candidate. Trump shows how a candidate can turn even more sour as time moves forward.

Why was there not all of this talk of "freeing the delegates" with Dole, McCain and Romney? Again, you will get a globalist RINO if you "free the delegates", or you will get a NATIONALIST RINO if Trump prevails. There's your choice.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Why was there not all of this talk of "freeing the delegates" with Dole, McCain and Romney? Again, you will get a globalist RINO if you "free the delegates", or you will get a NATIONALIST RINO if Trump prevails. There's your choice.

Simple - None of these candidates had THIS much opposition from their own party.

Look, Evan Byah is getting back into politics after leaving the Senate. He didn't want to work in a minority Senate, now he is looking at that not being the possibility this election. That should wake up the GOP.

BTW, Byah still has high favorables, whereas, Mike Pence, who is a very real possibility to be Trump's VP, has high unfavorables. Pence caved to the Left on Religious Freedom in 2015 and was condemned by the Family Research Council, The Heritage Foundation, and the Beckett Fund for Religious Freedom. Trump can't seem to win for losing.

It is pretty amazing to me how many people support Trump when they expressly don't agree with him and don't believe what he is saying. LOL!

Here is a little of Gov. Perry speaking about Trump's wall:

“I’m for Donald Trump, and he says we’re going to build a wall, the Mexicans are gonna pay for it,” Perry told Snapchat’s Peter Hamby.

Hamby remarked, “It’s not going to happen.”

“Well, it’s not,” Perry said, explaining, “It’s a wall, but it’s a technological wall, it’s a digital wall.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...al-wall-225359

#FreeTheDelegates

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Good talk! Oh, snap, I thought we were back in 2012, fearing mongering with ORomney. My bad!

BTW, can you explain your little public service announcement here:

• You hate Trump.
• You aren't voting for him.

Got it! WUT?! LOL! You are ranting in favor of a candidate you have no intention of voting for? Silly rabbit. Save your breath and energy.

And while you are ranting, let's look at some facts:

• A WHOLE LOT MORE people came out to vote in the 2016 Primaries
• Trump won A LOT of votes
• Trump received MORE votes AGAINST him
• Trump couldn't receive A THIRD of the Primary votes until everyone dropped out.
• After everyone dropped out, Trump still COULDN'T CROSS 44%
• The WILL OF THE PEOPLE who were the majority voted AGAINST Trump

We are headed to lose against Hillary anyway, so let's be bold, take our chances and #FreeTheDelegates.

As I have already stated, if we free the delegates and Trump wins the nomination, so be it. Let's at least get this process corrected now and for the future. We should never bind delegates to a candidate. Trump shows how a candidate can turn even more sour as time moves forward.

No we are talking about free the delegates, not Trump or Romney. You can't dismiss what is being said because something was said of Romney without a free the delegate movement and then of Trump and a free the delegate movement.

Let's look at some more facts:

• Trump received MORE votes AGAINST him - (So did every other candidate in the field)
  
• Trump couldn't receive A THIRD of the Primary votes until everyone dropped out. - (has this never happened before?)
• After everyone dropped out, Trump still COULDN'T CROSS 44% - (judging by everyone else being voted for less than trump I can only imagine that means they likely wouldn't have crossed 40% if trump had dropped out)
  
• The WILL OF THE PEOPLE who were the majority voted AGAINST Trump - (the will of the people who were the majority voted against every candidate using that logic. So who should be the Republican party nominee at this point?)

Delegates should never be bound to a candidate? Even if Ted Cruz was the nominee and unbinding them would have cost him the nomination? Because unbound delegates would have voted him out of the nomination as well...

[Pressing-On]

Maybe Donald Trump could rig the Convention to win, like Gerald Ford, and then explain how elections are rigged.

History: In 1976, Ford's team amended Rule 18, which originally had language specifying delegates could vote for candidates of their choice, to instead bind the delegates to the primary winner.

Interesting that Paul Manafort was on Ford's team in 1976 and now is on Trump's team.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

No we are talking about free the delegates, not Trump or Romney. You can't dismiss what is being said because something was said of Romney without a free the delegate movement and then of Trump and a free the delegate movement.

Let's look at some more facts:

• Trump received MORE votes AGAINST him - (So did every other candidate in the field)
  
• Trump couldn't receive A THIRD of the Primary votes until everyone dropped out. - (has this never happened before?)
• After everyone dropped out, Trump still COULDN'T CROSS 44% - (judging by everyone else being voted for less than trump I can only imagine that means they likely wouldn't have crossed 40% if trump had dropped out)
  
• The WILL OF THE PEOPLE who were the majority voted AGAINST Trump - (the will of the people who were the majority voted against every candidate using that logic. So who should be the Republican party nominee at this point?)

Delegates should never be bound to a candidate? Even if Ted Cruz was the nominee and unbinding them would have cost him the nomination? Because unbound delegates would have voted him out of the nomination as well...

I am understanding that we now have well more than 28 votes which are necessary to bring a Minority Report in the Rules Committee to free the delegates. Having said that, I am not sure the delegates won't mess this up and give us Trump. Upending this looks like a long shot, although the shot having some chance, but I think the case needs to be made, especially for future elections. If it doesn't pan out, the case can't be made it had no support at all.

Back to your red questioning - Trump was alone and couldn't receive more than 44%. Speculating on what would have happened to the others is a moot point. We know what support Trump didn't receive.

The Delegates get to decide which names can be offered. Reince Preibus stated that it should be someone who has already put skin in the game as a previous candidate this election cycle. I agree with that.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I am understanding that we now have well more than 28 votes which are necessary to bring a Minority Report in the Rules Committee to free the delegates. Having said that, I am not sure the delegates won't mess this up and give us Trump. Upending this looks like a long shot, although the shot having some chance, but I think the case needs to be made, especially for future elections. If it doesn't pan out, the case can't be made it had no support at all.

Back to your red questioning - Trump was alone and couldn't receive more than 44%. Speculating on what would have happened to the others is a moot point. We know what support Trump didn't receive.

The Delegates get to decide which names can be offered. Reince Preibus stated that it should be someone who has already put skin in the game as a previous candidate this election cycle. I agree with that.

But that's the problem. Those other candidates got less support tha trump