Is Jesus Christ The Man Jesus Christ Now ?

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Hart2Hart,

I think I am proposing the true faith that was once delivered to the saints.

Haha.

Heb 7:24 KJV But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Does the MAN contune forever or not? Read above.

Notice the indication his priesthood is ongoing through now into the future, since His ascension. His priesthood required a continuing LIFE. If his priesthood was in death only and is now done and over with, why did He require a continuing life in order to have an unchangeable priesthood? That would make no sense.

Hence...

Heb 7:25 KJV Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

He has an unchangeable priesthood, that death cannot hinder nor affect in any way, since He never will die....

Rom 6:9-10 KJV Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. (10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

HE LIVETH UNTO GOD....

This proves there remains a distinction between the WILL of the MAN Christ Jesus and His deity. LIVETH is not PAST but PRESENT AND ONGOING. It is a NOW thing.

We know this because it is an example for us wherein we find the SAME TWO blessings Christ enjoys now applied to us....

Rom 6:11 KJV Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Christ is not alive unto HIMSELF as a MAN. He is our example and living unto DEITY, as High Priest, MINISTERING TO DEITY, just as WE ARE ALIVE UNTO GOD in the LIKEWISE fashion. "LIKEWISE" indicates that we experience the same thing Christ experiences. And since Christ died once to sin, we LIKEWISE are DEAD INDEED unto sin. And since Christ is alive unto God, we LIKEWISE are alive unto God. Our wills are distinct from God's will, so that demands Christ's WILL AS A MAN is distinct, but in full obedience to the will of GOD, when He is described as one who "liveth unto God". And all the while HE IS ONE PERSON!

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Heb 7:26-27 KJV For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; (27) Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

He offered Hiimself up ONCE, but that does not mean He is presently not high priest! He continues as High Priest in interceeding since the sacrifice was completed 2000 years ago.

Heb 8:1-2 KJV Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; (2) A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

WE HAVE, not HAD, a great high priest NOW SITTING on the right hand of the THRONE. He IS a minister of the sanctuary, NOT WAS a minister, as though he no longer is priest. And HE IS in the santuary that God picthed in the heavens. This is still occuring NOW. Notice the IS references to His priesthood and sanctuary in which he ministers.

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Hey, look how much study I have put into this! (H2H, thanks for your kind words, btw). I am open for correction, but after seeing these points, what can one say?

The book of Hebrews was written to ward off the backsliding the Hebrew believers were experiencing in going back into Judaism. So Hebrews shows how the New Covenant is so much greater than the Old. And in that explanation, we read of Aaron's Levitical priesthood simply not cutting it when it came to what Christ was doing NOW.

Hebrews not only touched upon the backsliding Hebrews, but worked to convince the people they were on the right track with Jesus, and should they get hold of His PRESENT priesthood, they will also be so strong that they would inherit the blessings of Abraham... and many of which were for us in this life before we ever get to glory!

Heb 8:4-6 KJV For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest

This indicates HE IS PRIEST NOW, since He is not on earth.

..., seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Priests were already in earth in the early church days. So Christ would have no need of being so had he been in earth instead of having ascended.

(5) Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. (6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry,

BUT NOW...

He is not in earth NOW. NOW He is in glory, so the only answer is that HE CAN BE PRIEST, which He is.

...by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

He IS the mediator... NOT WAS. That means He mediates NOW.

Heb 8:7-10 KJV For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. (10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Notice the change in the context. Hebrews speaks about how the old covenant had a fault in that the people involved could NOT CONTINUE. They failed personally. Law only told them how to live and never empowered them to do so. And if that was the fault that moved God to make a new covenant, the remedy was a covenant in which they COULD CONTINUE. And the way this is done is as follows:

...I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

By putting His laws into our minds and hearts, OUR NATURES are affected so as to be ABLE to keep those laws as if by NATURE.

This is all part of Christ's High Priesthood empowering us to have victory.

Hebrews 9 continues by saying the earthly priesthood of Aaron's line had a worldly sanctuary, but Christ PRESENTLY is in a heavenly one.

Aaron could not enter and dwell in the holiest on earth. So he cannto typify Christ's present ministry well enough. He covered the type of Christ's work on the cross, but Melchisedek's priesthood adequately typified that present ministry which is in the holiest. Nothing about Aaron's priesthood could provide POWER to for the people to "continue". But since Melchisedek was KING on the throne as well as Priest, he showed how Christ would dwell in the holiest throneroom as KING to empower us.

Hebrews 9 shows how Aaron's presthood could not dwell in the holiest, and how Christ is dwelling in the holiest now as Priest.

Heb 9:7-8 KJV But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: (8) The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Heb 9:11-12 KJV But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; (12) Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Christ empowers us to LIVE and CONTINUE in our covenant.

Heb 9:14 KJV How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

HE IS mediator... NOT WAS.

Heb 9:15 KJV And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

We have to abandon all these references to IS if we say he is not priest still now.

Heb 9:24-25 KJV For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: (25) Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Jesus went far beyond anything Aaron could typify. He entered into HEAVEN's holiest and IS STIL THERE DWELLING, whereas Aaron could only enter for a few moments ONCE A YEAR.

He sat down in there, since the offering was done forever. Aaron had to go in and leave again only to do the sacrifice again next year. Not Jesus. He offered once, and sits DOWN IN THE THRONE IN THE HOLIEST! He is priest WHILE ON THE THRONE!

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

We know that Jesus Christ was God manifested in Human Flesh ,He was The Only Begotten Son Of God.
We know that He was crucified on the cross ,and He was buried and rose again the third day.
He arose bodily and ascended into Heaven so does Jesus Christ possess a Human body now ?
Some statements of faith ,read like this they say we believe Jesus Christ is both God and Man ,The God Man or something to that effect so is Jesus Christ the man Christ Jesus now Since He has a Spiritual Body now ?

Yes, He is the man Christ Jesus even now and serves as the one mediator between God and man - just as the scripture says.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Heb 7:24 KJV But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

Notice the indication his priesthood is ongoing through now into the future, since His ascension. His priesthood required a continuing LIFE. If his priesthood was in death only and is now done and over with, why did He require a continuing life in order to have an unchangeable priesthood? That would make no sense.

Hence...

He has an unchangeable priesthood, that death cannot hinder nor affect in any way, since He never will die....

Amen! Here is His unchanging and continuing Priesthood!

Romans 8:26

26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Amen! Here is His unchanging and continuing Priesthood!

Romans 8:26

26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Exactly.

Where is our intercession coming from if there is no priesthood NOW?

Saints need to read Hebrews more carefully. He was not priest on the cross. He was sacrifice. And AFTER the sacrifice was made, He netered the mnost holy place iN HEAVEN where the PRIESTLY MINISTRY occurred. The priestly ministry did not occur on earth. There WERE PRIESTS on earth, in his day. hebrews makes that a claim to the fact He is priest NOW in heaven.

Heb 8:4 KJV For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Heb 8:6 KJV But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 9:24 KJV For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

He is PRIEST IN HEAVEN, not earth.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Exactly.

Where is our intercession coming from if there is no priesthood NOW?

Ya need to read Hebrews more carefully.

I thought I did read it carefully. lol

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I thought I did read it carefully. lol

Yes, you did. But I was referring to those who disagree with your great answer. Sorry for my lack of clarity!

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Yes, you did. But I was referring to those who disagree with your great answer. Sorry for my lack of clarity!

Thanks, you normally don't confuse me. lol!

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Exactly.

Where is our intercession coming from if there is no priesthood NOW?

Saints need to read Hebrews more carefully. He was not priest on the cross. He was sacrifice. And AFTER the sacrifice was made, He netered the mnost holy place iN HEAVEN where the PRIESTLY MINISTRY occurred. The priestly ministry did not occur on earth. There WERE PRIESTS on earth, in his day. hebrews makes that a claim to the fact He is priest NOW in heaven.





He is PRIEST IN HEAVEN, not earth.

Yes, and the point being the scripture you referenced as referring to "the figures" or typology as we term it:

Heb 9:24 KJV For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: