The Christians Slide Into Delusion

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

They who were one time enlightened απαξ φωτισθεντας wouldn't that mean anyone who had at one time been enlightened, illuminated, had revelation of the word of God?

So, they tasted the heavenly gift, which is the Holy Ghost, and if they fall away, that's when everything starts to go wrong for them? It really doesn't give you any spiritual age of the Christian. The illumination is the main point at where they enter.

You forgot "tasted of the powers of the world to come".

If THAT person falls away.

But this was not the real point of the thread to show someone could fall away. Most on the forum may believe that anyway. What I want people to understand is that when sin is committed deception happens.

When one does not DO the teaching of Christ they oftentimes deceive themselves into thinking they are still ok with God.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:22

Many are teaching when one sins its all covered by the blood of Christ. That God does not see THEM as sinning. He only sees them "in Christ".

They see themselves as resting in Gods mercy and grace when the reality is they are now deceived. Until they repent and acknowledge the sin and turn from it they have defiled their garment. They are not right with God. He could begin chastising them immediately.

There is no sense of this in the modern Evangelical......wannabe Apostolic believers.

Once we sin we should expect God to punish us. He says he punishes those he loves. Until the person sees the light they should expect his judgment upon them.

The deceived on the other hand justifies his sin instead of repenting. While we still are in grace and of sound mind BEFORE we sin we should be told this. No God is not blind to our sins. Neither are we still comfortably resting in his grace once its been committed.

We are under immediate threat of his chastisement. The incentive is to stay as close to Christ as you can.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

You forgot "tasted of the powers of the world to come".

If THAT person falls away.

But this was not the real point of the thread to show someone could fall away. Most on the forum may believe that anyway. What I want people to understand is that when sin is committed deception happens.

When one does not DO the teaching of Christ they oftentimes deceive themselves into thinking they are still ok with God.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. James 1:22

Many are teaching when one sins its all covered by the blood of Christ. That God does not see THEM as sinning. He only sees them "in Christ".

They see themselves as resting in Gods mercy and grace when the reality is they are now deceived. Until they repent and acknowledge the sin and turn from it they have defiled their garment. They are not right with God. He could begin chastising them immediately.

There is no sense of this in the modern Evangelical......wannabe Apostolic believers.

Once we sin we should expect God to punish us. He says he punishes those he loves. Until the person sees the light they should expect his judgment upon them.

The deceived on the other hand justifies his sin instead of repenting. While we still are in grace and of sound mind BEFORE we sin we should be told this. No God is not blind to our sins. Neither are we still comfortably resting in his grace once its been committed.

We are under immediate threat of his chastisement. The incentive is to stay as close to Christ as you can.

The Greek of Hebrew 12:6 states that He educates those He loves, but that education comes through flogging. Yet, this isn't the incentive to stay close to God, but His love is the incentive. Correct?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The Greek of Hebrew 12:6 states that He educates those He loves, but that education comes through flogging. Yet, this isn't the incentive to stay close to God, but His love is the incentive. Correct?

Well yes but in going as far as threatening judgment on the believer it assumes that his love is not sufficient in itself. Why do you suppose he threatens anyone if it were not incentive?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Good Morning Bro!

Do the scriptures you have cited mean that anyone who backslides into a life of sin can never become saved again?

[Jermyn Davidson]

By the way, thank you for your opening post and for starting this thread. I mean it. Thank you very much.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Good Morning Bro!

Do the scriptures you have cited mean that anyone who backslides into a life of sin can never become saved again?

No I don't believe that. My main point in THIS thread is to show that sin is not the slight little comfortable thing some want to make it into nowadays. It is to show that if we do not actually DO the teachings of Jesus we are deceived into thinking were ok. We really do not have to be obedient.

That's the delusion sweeping the world. Straight out of the Evangelical handbook. Now it is becoming widely accepted also among Pentecostals.

So MOST people who backslide can come back to God. That's because most today do not meet the criteria that Paul lays out to be among those who could not come back.

The criteria:

1. Tasted of the heavenly gift (Christ)
2. Partakers of the Holy Ghost
3. The GOOD word of God. I bold the word "good" for a reason. Most today even Apostolic have not tasted the GOOD word of God. Their foundation doctrines are mostly false. So most of them don't meet this criteria.
4. They experienced the powers of the world to come. This means they have walked in the supernatural power and manifestations of Christ. Dreams, visions, leading of the Spirit, answered prayer, various gifts of the Spirit. Not just a few times but this has been a lifestyle for them.

The Apostle says THESE cannot be RENEWED again to repent. What could God offer them to renew their love for him? They already experienced the fullness of the Christian life and it was not enough for them. They desired something else MORE.

Christ sees these as having done despite to the grace of God. Grace is "favor". He showered them with it and they took it as a lite thing. They crucify him anew by their betrayal and rejection of that grace. The only thing promised them at that point is judgment and firey indignation which shall devour the adversaries.

[KWSS1976]

Michael, what do you mean by" Sin is not the slight little comfortable thing" also what sin are the Pentecostals commiting.As I see it the Pentecostals set themselves for failure, heck they got so many rules you cannot do, it makes going to the store grocery shopping a sin, cause you are going to do something in the store that is preached against...lol

[Lafon]

"The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead." [Proverbs 21:16, KJV]

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." [Hebrews 6:4-6, KJV]

Simply interpreted (IMHO): That man, after having "tasted" (i.e., become a recipient of knowledge concerning the Oneness of God and being baptized with the Spirit, having their sins remitted by immersion in the waters of baptism "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ"), who willingly turns his back upon such wondrous esoteric truths, will be eternally damned. Why? Because "this" particular sin is likened to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, for which there is NO forgiveness! [See Matthew 12:31, KJV]

Yes, it is possible for a saint to commit sin (and many do, both willingly and unwittingly: myself included), yet be restored to a place of right standing before God through repentance.

The two scriptural passages noted, perhaps above all others, serve to motivate me to be willing to embrace and defend the apostles' doctrine (for it is truth), even unto death, should necessity dictate it.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Lafon

"The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead." [Proverbs 21:16, KJV]

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." [Hebrews 6:4-6, KJV]

Simply interpreted (IMHO): That man, after having "tasted" (i.e., become a recipient of knowledge concerning the Oneness of God and being baptized with the Spirit, having their sins remitted by immersion in the waters of baptism "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ"), who willingly turns his back upon such wondrous esoteric truths, will be eternally damned. Why? Because "this" particular sin is likened to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, for which there is NO forgiveness! [See Matthew 12:31, KJV]

Yes, it is possible for a saint to commit sin (and many do, both willingly and unwittingly: myself included), yet be restored to a place of right standing before God through repentance.

The two scriptural passages noted, perhaps above all others, serve to motivate me to be willing to embrace and defend the apostles' doctrine (for it is truth), even unto death, should necessity dictate it.

Thanks for expressing your opinion too!

So that I make sure I understand you, those who were Apostolic, but decided to no longer be Apostolic, are guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

Does this designation apply to the former Apostolics who decide to become Trinitarians as well?

I don't understand exactly your logic, but that's why I'm asking.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Thanks for expressing your opinion too!

those who were Apostolic, but decided to no longer be Apostolic, are guilty of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?

Does this designation apply to the former Apostolics who decide to become Trinitarians as well?

Are you guys talking about me????