Newt Gingrich-The Fiscal Cliff is a Fantasy

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by crakjak

O yeah, I forgot, you have all the inside scoop!! And how it is better to have four more of Obomma!

You might want to look at why ORomney received less of the Asian vote than he did the Hispanic vote.

It looks like Newt would like to change the party within, but after how they threw him under the bus until AFTER their candidate lost, I doubt they can self-correct. NOW everyone is calling for Newt to come and explain how to fix what is wrong. Go figure.

Did it ever occur to the Republican Party and those that supported Romney that he was just a ruse of a candidate? Did it ever occur to them that a legitimate candidate who really offered true and honest change would have won? Did it ever occur to them that Romney had a liberal record on taxes, Cap and Trade, gay marriage, gay rights, quotas, gun control, immigration.

Did they not notice that the "conservative leaders" tried to portray him as something he was not - a "severe conservative"?

No wonder 3 million Republicans stayed home. What was the point? Obviously, they didn't buy what Romney was selling.

Don't they know that we saw him for what he was, a Progressive who would have set the party back for decades? He would have come into the WH hiding under a mantle of being a conservative and carried out his big government agenda that he had going on in Massachusetts.

I don't necessarily endorse Marco Rubio, but he had it right that many cannot find a job and are not necessarily wanting a handout. Newt lays that argument out very well in the video during the Q&A toward the end.

And who in the world is going to work their backsides off when the government (of BOTH parties) stymies personal growth? Why not vote for the candidate who offers a cushion while waiting for the economy to recover?

I am glad he lost. Now, let us see if the Republicans are really serious about the country or if they are also part of the problem. I suspect they are part of the duopoly problem. Look at the NDAA amendment vote tally above - that shows they are part of the problem.

And if anyone wants to go the route of voter fraud, just look a little deeper at what Romney pulled off during the Republican primaries. What goes around comes around. He got his comeuppance.

[Dedicated Mind]

po. that vote tally is amazing, I don't see how average americans don't see that repubs are after government power in a different way than democrats. i believe that democrats defend people rights more than republicans. maybe it's a different set of rights that both parties are trying to defend and control.

i went to the fiscal cliff point in the video and watched a few minutes but i recently read "a theology of liberation" by gustavo gutierrez and my religion has merged with my politics. i think i am more left than before, not a radical yet, but i am exploring a lot of liberation material that seeks to interpret the bible through the lens of the poor, marginalized and oppressed. there is woman's liberation theology, black liberation theology, and a general class liberation theology etc. i'm afraid i don't have a whole hour for newt.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

po. that vote tally is amazing, I don't see how average americans don't see that repubs are after government power in a different way than democrats. i believe that democrats defend people rights more than republicans. maybe it's a different set of rights that both parties are trying to defend and control.

i went to the fiscal cliff point in the video and watched a few minutes but i recently read "a theology of liberation" by gustavo gutierrez and my religion has merged with my politics. i think i am more left than before, not a radical yet, but i am exploring a lot of liberation material that seeks to interpret the bible through the lens of the poor, marginalized and oppressed. there is woman's liberation theology, black liberation theology, and a general class liberation theology etc. i'm afraid i don't have a whole hour for newt.

You make a good point that I saw more this year than any other - the Republicans are after government power in a different way. One example would be GWB's Patriot Act, which allowed the Dems to take it even further. I really look at it as assisting each other.

You didn't have time for Newt? That's too bad, he is a powerhouse of American courage. I listened to it twice. lol

As far as exploring a political stance, I don't need to go much further than looking for anyone who is a staunch Constitutionalist. What would be great is if we could get a Federalist and a Jeffersonian on the same ticket. Now that would be a great balance and do something for this country. lol

[Nitehawk013]

"I'm a lib because I don't like that there are winners and losers in society. I think the Government should steal all the money and give each person an equal amount so that no matter how hard we work or how lazy we are...we are all equal. It's just not fair that there are poor people. Boohoo. My name is Demented Mind".

YOu want liberation? Tell those who are poor to get jobs and make better decisions in life and with their money. Same for women. Same for blacks. Same for ALL.

[Nitehawk013]

PO would be called a useful idiot by most on the left. She is so stuck on her idea of "perfect" that she can't see that "better"(Romney) is still vastly superior to terrible(obama). So she chooses to waste her time backing some nobody instead of giving better a chance over terrible.

We have a 0 for President. We want a 10 of course, but the only choice we had was to keep the 0 or vote for a 4. Only in the mind of peopel with the logic of a bean is it remotely responsible to blow off the 4 and keep the 0 just because no 10 was available.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

PO would be called a useful idiot by most on the left. She is so stuck on her idea of "perfect" that she can't see that "better"(Romney) is still vastly superior to terrible(obama). So she chooses to waste her time backing some nobody instead of giving better a chance over terrible.

We have a 0 for President. We want a 10 of course, but the only choice we had was to keep the 0 or vote for a 4. Only in the mind of peopel with the logic of a bean is it remotely responsible to blow off the 4 and keep the 0 just because no 10 was available.

I read a comment online last night. The woman said, "The Bible instructs us to vote for the lesser of two evils." Hahahahaha! Last time I checked the Bible says to overcome evil with good. It doesn't say vote for the lesser of two evils. No wonder our country is in the shape it is in. We don't demand one thing, that our tax dollars pay for, we just follow along like dumb sheep.

But, listen, I do see and understand the two opposing views. And they are strong views for both sides.

1. Anyone is better than Obama
2. Don't put in a progressive Republican

Now we will see how strong our Constitution upholds this country and who will fight for us and with us. Did you happen to wonder why Romney lost more of the Asian (most educated) vote than the Hispanic vote?

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I read a comment online last night. The woman said, "The Bible instructs us to vote for the lesser of two evils." Hahahahaha! Last time I checked the Bible says to overcome evil with good. It doesn't say vote for the lesser of two evils.

Romans 3:23 says we are all sinners. EVERY time I vote I have to try to choose the lesser of two evils.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Romans 3:23 says we are all sinners. EVERY time I vote I have to try to choose the lesser of two evils.

I believe the context of Romans 3 is pointing out to the Jews that they are in no way better than the Gentiles. They have ALL sinned - both Jew and Gentile. If the Jews keep circumcision, but they do not keep the law, they are no better than the Gentiles who keep the law.

Romans 3:24 goes on to say that they are ALL justified freely by grace through the redemption that is in Christ. It puts both Jew and Gentile on the same footing with Christ Jesus.

So, my question would be, “If the Son shall therefore make you free, you are free indeed”, how are we yet sinners?

Romans 5:8 says that God commended his love toward us, in that, while we WERE sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:19 says that by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

How can you be both righteous and a sinner?

I John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him” and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

I believe that, like Paul in I Timothy 1:15, we can be humble enough to always be aware of our evil past life and our capability to sin, but that doesn’t make us sinners after Christ, unless we are continuing in sin.

It is really a Catholic teaching that believes we are always sinners. And that we sin because we can't help it, we are just human. I also believe this teaching has bled into other Christian churches (UPCI included) and heaps condemnation on saints who need to know and understand that they can be set free.

So, really, the lesser of two evils still violates the Word – “overcome evil with good.”