Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities

[Michael The Disciple]

Jesus Christ is very concerned about his commandments. Notice I said HIS COMMANDMENTS. I am not at all writing about the commandments of men but those things which he himself has instructed his disciples.

28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matt. 28:19-20

The way he sees it your desire toward him (his person) is directly related to what you do with his commandments.

5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3

I certainly am not what this forum would consider an "ultra con" but to be fair there is another side of what you are saying. There are plenty of Churches and Teachers out there who are THINKING that they emphasize the person of Jesus and MUCH of their doctrine is simply to minimize this important aspect of the kingdom of God, namely keeping his commandments.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Jesus Christ is very concerned about his commandments. Notice I said HIS COMMANDMENTS. I am not at all writing about the commandments of men but those things which he himself has instructed his disciples.

28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matt. 28:19-20

The way he sees it your desire toward him (his person) is directly related to what you do with his commandments.

5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3

I certainly am not what this forum would consider an "ultra con" but to be fair there is another side of what you are saying. There are plenty of Churches and Teachers out there who are THINKING that they emphasize the person of Jesus and MUCH of their doctrine is simply to minimize this important aspect of the kingdom of God, namely keeping his commandments.

So do you have any comment on what I DID post?

[Michael The Disciple]

So are you in agreement with what I said? I said what I said because some will probably blur the line between the commandments and teachings of Jesus and those of men.

[Praxeas]

Anyone want to discuss the topic?

[CC1]

Prax, would you share with us a little bit of your religous journey? I am curious as to whether or not your views on this subject have evolved or changed over the years and if so in what way.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by CC1

Prax, would you share with us a little bit of your religous journey? I am curious as to whether or not your views on this subject have evolved or changed over the years and if so in what way.

That would take a long time lol. But the short stick is, yes, my views have evolved over the years.

Just a little tidbit but I remember asking someone in my church about what they thought of Justification..."What's that?" was the reply.

My current Pastor (UPC) teaches on justfication and has taught a lot from Romans. I am glad for that, but my "Journey" started a long time before that.

Anyways maybe I can say more later. Im pressed for time

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Hmmm. I guess I've been going to the wrong kind of UC church.
That could have been taken from any of several sermons I've heard my pastor preach.
The only thing that I would add is that inside cleansing will be reflected on the outside.

Sounds like my church too.......infact in sounds like most UC churches i have been to.........

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by hometown guy

Sounds like my church too.......infact in sounds like most UC churches i have been to.........

I don't particularly care for the label ultra con. i suppose those that use the label to describe us are probably fully aware of the fact that it is not favored by thos of us who take a more conservative stance. I will say that i attend a very conservative church as far as standards go, and standards is a topic that is seldom preached. My pastor spends great time preaching on prayer, soul winning, sacrifice, and relationship with God. Occasionally he will preach on certain standards as he feels need to. I have attended many WPF conferences and i can say that i have met some wonderful, godly ppl who are in love with Jesus Christ. Yes, standards are preached. There is a great emphasis on doctrinal purity and truth. The greatest emphasis in all the services and conferences i have attended have been a love for Jesus Christ and desire to do what pleases him, and most of all, the need for AN INTIMATE AND CONSISTANT PRAYER LIFE! Label us what you will. Perhaps some preach what they do to cover up for what is lacking in other areas..my experience does not testify to this though. I have been introduced to ppl in the last few years that love Jesus and want to do His will. There is a mighty annointing that rests upon these brethren and it testifies to their sincerity.

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I don't particularly care for the label ultra con. i suppose those that use the label to describe us are probably fully aware of the fact that it is not favored by thos of us who take a more conservative stance. I will say that i attend a very conservative church as far as standards go, and standards is a topic that is seldom preached. My pastor spends great time preaching on prayer, soul winning, sacrifice, and relationship with God. Occasionally he will preach on certain standards as he feels need to. I have attended many WPF conferences and i can say that i have met some wonderful, godly ppl who are in love with Jesus Christ. Yes, standards are preached. There is a great emphasis on doctrinal purity and truth. The greatest emphasis in all the services and conferences i have attended have been a love for Jesus Christ and desire to do what pleases him, and most of all, the need for AN INTIMATE AND CONSISTANT PRAYER LIFE! Label us what you will. Perhaps some preach what they do to cover up for what is lacking in other areas..my experience does not testify to this though. I have been introduced to ppl in the last few years that love Jesus and want to do His will. There is a mighty annointing that rests upon these brethren and it testifies to their sincerity.

I think the problem is that some of more liberal people come to some conservative conferences ( where its more for the saint then the sinner although it’s a good time anytime for someone to get the HG) and that’s what they may hear preached but if they would go to our local assembly they would find that its not preached very often at all

[berkeley]

Ha... I know UC's that refer to themselves as such. I was told by an UC that God honors the closer walk with HIM that the UC has. I wanted to laugh. He was completely serious.