I can respect that, if I went to a church where the pastor preached long sleeves and that was where I got my food, I would never wear short sleeves. And never gripe about it or give a hint that I didn't think it needful.
4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?
Huh, curious here, but why do you have short hair for men and not long hair for women (you have it as uncut hair)?
I'm guessing you know that long hair does not equal uncut hair.
Oh and what's with all the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness? Do you even have scripture for what you teach?
Are you sure you are apostolic? How can an apostolic be making up stuff like sleeve length, changing long hair to uncut hair, full length pants, to preach to people. Do you have scripture for your sleeve length gospel?
Real apostolics do not change scripture from "long hair" to "uncut hair"
Real apostolics do not teach sleeve length 'cause there ain't no scripture for that.
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I deleted the post because I didn't want to try and explain it. I know where the majority on this forum stand, and it isn't anywhere near what would be considered traditional apostolic pentcostal doctrines and beliefs.
Eh.
I deleted the post because I didn't want to try and explain it. I know where the majority on this forum stand, and it isn't anywhere near what would be considered traditional apostolic pentcostal doctrines and beliefs.
And which is why I tend not to discuss them here.
Why would you delete it? Dude... put it out there. Be proud. Represent. There are others wanting you to... hoping you will.
As far as being "traditional," I think the group you refer to don't get a pass in that department -- but I know what you mean. I think there are more Traditionalists than you think. They are rooting you on right now.
I believe in the infilling of the HG with the evidence of speaking in other tongues and baptism in Jesus' name.As far as traditional "pentecostal standards" no...not heaven or hell issue.If ankles and elbows turn someone on they need professional help.As far as baptism and speaking in tongues being needed for salvation..I'm not God I can certainly give scripture and verse for baptism being done in the name of Jesus and speaking in tongues accompanying being filled with the HG but I refuse to be judge jury and executioner for that issue.We need to stop acting like "not going to hell" is the only reason we do or dont do things...there are far more benefits to having the HG and being baptised besides not going to hell.
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1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?
I believe that all baptisms that are not performed in the authority of Jesus Christ are invalid.
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2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?
No. A dead tree can have roots in the ground. A life that does not bear the fruit of the Spirit condemns himself when he speaks in tongues.
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3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?
I do not understand the question.
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4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?
No, I do not believe in fairy tales.
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5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?
If said trinitarian is living a life in pursuit of truth, yes. If living a life of complacency and carnality like so many apostolics, not likely. Hypothetics...
Thank you for not taking me seriously and using the occasion to throw yet another childish insult my way. If you don't like this or have a negative opinion about it, why not just skip it rather than feeling the need to belittle me?
Come on, OPII, lighten up. You're trying to cram everybody into "Your Box", and the Christian Faith doesn't work like that. It never has, and never will. None of us have IT. We try, we debate, we fall, we fail, and the cycle continues, and you just have to laugh at what we're all doing down here.
I used to think like you do, but life has unveiled a host of experiences that reveal; Apostolics who think like you (and me in the past), you are not the "ONLY ONES!" Even thinking this is truly crazy. We are just humans, pathetic little humans who have a Book that no one can really agree on. But that’s OK. The Bible is an amazing Book, and what amazes me, even amidst all of the confusion and minimal understanding, lives are still transformed by loving Jesus Christ!!
I suggest you do a little "Stand Back". Stop looking at life through your little lens of Religion. What I mean is, climb a mountain and look at the city. The sight, sounds, and feelings are all different when we get that bird’s eye view. Look down upon Mankind’s effort to figure God out, and if you are honest, you will SEE that this has NEVER been easy, and it's really quite comical.
One thing that opened my eyes a few years ago was this; Jesus called those who thought they had God figured out, BLIND! Think about it!!
Huh, curious here, but why do you have short hair for men and not long hair for women (you have it as uncut hair)?
I'm guessing you know that long hair does not equal uncut hair.
Oh and what's with all the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness? Do you even have scripture for what you teach?
Are you sure you are apostolic? How can an apostolic be making up stuff like sleeve length, changing long hair to uncut hair, full length pants, to preach to people. Do you have scripture for your sleeve length gospel?
Real apostolics do not change scripture from "long hair" to "uncut hair"
Real apostolics do not teach sleeve length 'cause there ain't no scripture for that.
I said "uncut" to make it as clear as I could without going into a long theological explanation. Seemed clear to me and the core value among oneness apostolics has long been uncut.
Yes, I'm sure I'm an apostolic. A real one. I said that long sleeves are important to me. We are using the scriptural principles of modesty and principles may be applied many ways.
Let OP define it how he wants. We all know what he means. He wants to see who on AFF believe it like him. I think there are many. Let them post so he can know who they are.
Eh.
I deleted the post because I didn't want to try and explain it. I know where the majority on this forum stand, and it isn't anywhere near what would be considered traditional apostolic pentcostal doctrines and beliefs.
And which is why I tend not to discuss them here.
I agree, Bro. Atkinson. It does seem a bit futile but I'm new and ambitious enough that I'll try! But if you're one that holds the traditional apostolic pentecostal doctrines and beliefs, I'd love to see you posting!
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