Former UPCI Pastor pleads guilty to embezzlement

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by DAII

Or he acted like many pastors do.

Many?

Come on, bro.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by DAII

The article says he has over 1100 at his church? Wow! Already.

If the HMD records are what they appear ... the church he claims to have funneled some of the money to ... was a CIAD (Church in A Day) project.

http://www.homemissionsdivision.com/...anProjects.xls

http://www.homemissionsdivision.com/...Communique.pdf

800k for a church that already had funding and built through the org ???

Seems like he was bilking from several sides.

When did this "home missions" pastor leave the org?

Originally Posted by DAII

My bad the union has 1100 members.

Originally Posted by coadie

The electrical union had 1,100 members. You have reading difficulty.

Welcome to the club, Coadie..

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Many?

Come on, bro.

I chose the word many not to broad brush ... as was done with union leaders.

3 pastors who take from the people of God ... IS TOO MANY.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by soldoutochrist

I have to admit that I'm a bit hurt personally only because Bro. Sims was such a genuine guy. He was very involved in youth ministry and one of the nicest people that I've ever met in the org. I was shocked when this hit the papers.

Feels like betrayal. When I was young, I hired a CFO. Over time several of his family joined my company. When I caught him in the till, his religiousity I knew him for felt very phony.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by DAII

I chose the word many not to broad brush ... as was done with union leaders.

3 pastors who take from the people of God ... IS TOO MANY.

I agree, but it would be like me saying many teachers sexually abuse students.

Does 100 teachers out of 1,000,000 constitute many?

100 is too many, but it would be wrong to act as if many = MOST.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Many?

Come on, bro.

The theft is appalling considering he took from the members ... and was already benefiting from funds he received from the hard working people who contributed to HMD ... not to include the tithes of a mid-sized church.

Also ... he was NOT A UNION LEADER (in cased Coadie missed it)... according to the article:

Sims was hired in November 2007 by an administrator to manage pension, health and welfare, and vacation funds for Local 915 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

Or he acted like many pastors do.

I suspect more pastors cash their paycheck for the church and do not take a dollar. All small enterprises need internal financial controls.

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by coadie

I suspect more pastors cash their paycheck for the church and do not take a dollar. All small enterprises need internal financial controls.

In fact, I would say most pastors give their own income to support the church.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by coadie

I suspect more pastors cash their paycheck for the church and do not take a dollar. All small enterprises need internal financial controls.

I have the same OBVIOUS suspicion ....

[DAII]

Originally Posted by charnock

i agree, but it would be like me saying many teachers sexually abuse students.

Does 100 teachers out of 1,000,000 constitute many?

100 is too many, but it would be wrong to act as if many = most.

no one said most ... Charny ...

And that would be like coadie's original unqualified statement ...
That union leaders abuse funds and that this non-union pastor acted like a union leader ... which he's not.

One of those stellar examples of Coadian logic