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Old 05-21-2010, 10:34 AM
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I'm confused. Is this about private companies hiring who they wish or refusing service to whom they wish based on ethnicity, etc...? In the former, qualifications and other things are certainly an issue. In the latter, I would think that the only qualification would be the ability to pay for the services.
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I'm confused. Is this about private companies hiring who they wish or refusing service to whom they wish based on ethnicity, etc...? In the former, qualifications and other things are certainly an issue. In the latter, I would think that the only qualification would be the ability to pay for the services.
Rand's point is how much do we allow the Federal government to be involved in the private sector? He is against discrimination and wouldn't associate with it, but he is also wanting to keep the Constitution on the side of the people with our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, etc.
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Rand's point is how much do we allow the Federal government to be involved in the private sector? He is against discrimination and wouldn't associate with it, but he is also wanting to keep the Constitution on the side of the people with our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, etc.
I haven't really been following this but just looking at what was posted here, I'm trying to get a better understanding. Having a pool owner and bowling alley owner not happening to have people of certain ethnicities working there is one thing. Having said pool owner or bowling alley owner refusing service to some kids solely because of their ethnicity is something totally different in my opinion.

That can lead to a sticky place, a place that we have been to before.

I think it's easy to say that we are fine with that whenever we or our children are not directly affected. However, let's also keep in mind that the day might be coming when we Christians are that unwelcome segment.
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I'm confused. Is this about private companies hiring who they wish or refusing service to whom they wish based on ethnicity, etc...? In the former, qualifications and other things are certainly an issue. In the latter, I would think that the only qualification would be the ability to pay for the services.
And, BTW, Stew, this is how it should be - based on qualification for hiring and ability to pay for service. Good point!

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And, BTW, Stew, this is how it should be - based on qualification for hiring and ability to pay for service. Good point!

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I'm confused. Is this about private companies hiring who they wish or refusing service to whom they wish based on ethnicity, etc...? In the former, qualifications and other things are certainly an issue. In the latter, I would think that the only qualification would be the ability to pay for the services.
I believe the scope of his initial response included hiring only.


I have mixed feelings on it actually.


To enforce "AA" on a family business is stupid and could not have been the intent of the people who thought up "AA".


However, for AA to not apply to everyone (government and private entities)...

wait a minute, AA is not "FORCED" on private companies now anyway.


It's just that if it can be proven that a company is purposely not hiring someone based on their race then they are breaking the law.

I agree with this application and I don't think Rand was speaking against this initially-- definitely not after the "blow up".
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I'm confused. Is this about private companies hiring who they wish or refusing service to whom they wish based on ethnicity, etc...? In the former, qualifications and other things are certainly an issue. In the latter, I would think that the only qualification would be the ability to pay for the services.

Rand Paul wants the owner of a restaurant to have control of who eats there.If the owner wanted blacks & Mexicans to eat in the back he would have the right if Rand Paul had his way. Rand Paul is for whites only bathroom again.

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Rand Paul wants the owner of a restaurant to have control of who eats there.If the owner wanted blacks & Mexicans to eat in the back he would have the right if Rand Paul had his way. Rand Paul is for whites only bathroom again.

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Well that is where his thinking would lead folks.

In fact, he defends the rights of "private clubs" to have race restrictions as he makes clear his disdain for such policies.


Rand Paul isn't racist, but his way of thinking, if it were the law of the land, would codify racism under the guise, "individual liberties".


Though I understand where Rand Paul is coming from, the CRA would not have had any teeth if it had not addressed the prevalent racism of America's past (then America's present) ON ALL FRONTS.
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Well that is where his thinking would lead folks.

In fact, he defends the rights of "private clubs" to have race restrictions as he makes clear his disdain for such policies.


Rand Paul isn't racist, but his way of thinking, if it were the law of the land, would codify racism under the guise, "individual liberties".


Though I understand where Rand Paul is coming from, the CRA would not have had any teeth if it had not addressed the prevalent racism of America's past (then America's present) ON ALL FRONTS.
As Rand Paul has stated, the majority of the Civil Rights Acts had nothing to do with private business. The Civil Rights Act was, almost, entirely about discrimination, by the government, in public institutions. Minorities had to pay taxes to support these government institutions which they were being excluded from and treated as second-class citizens.

On the other hand, private businesses have to submit to the will of the people. If any company won't hire someone because of race, they are only hurting themselves by cutting out the number of any potential clients they may gain. That would come from upsetting the community, which could potentially boycott the business. They are taking a chance of failing.

If their strategy was to keep out a certain race, is that the government's business to get involved? Companies discriminate all the time in the private sector for various reasons, i.e., age, weight, looks, gender, religion etc. There are private clubs/bars that exclude certain people. Some reasons are because of image or just preference, but it happens all the time.

So, the question begs the answer, who is to blame when any company discriminates? Businesses can't survive without customers. So, it's the customers fault for supporting them. That isn't something the government should get involved in and that is Rand Paul's point.

No one likes discrimination. But, discrimination exists, and it will continue to exist forever. Rand is not saying he thinks a business should discriminate, he is only saying that private business shouldn't be regulated by the Federal Government. That is not an endorsement for discrimination and his words are being taken, totally, out of context and not the true intent of "small government" intervention, which he is a big proponent of.
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