Sorry, I was busy praying...but I am back now. Yes, that is correct...As many as receive him, to them he gives the power to become the sons of God, to those who BELIEVE in his name....please, no additions nor subtractions.
Sorry, I was busy praying...but I am back now. Yes, that is correct...As many as receive him, to them he gives the power to become the sons of God, to those who BELIEVE in his name....please, no additions nor subtractions.
OK, here are two definitions of that word "power" there.
1. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" The word power here means authority. If anyone receives Jesus (accepts Jesus as personal Savior) he then has the authority/right to go on and get baptized in Jesus' name and receive the HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) and by doing so becomes a son of God.
2. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" What is this power? Jesus defines it in Acts 1:4-8. It is the HGB. In other words, if you really receive Jesus, you speak with tongues and are born again. But it is also qualified by believing on His name and if you really believe on His name you will be baptized in that name.
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Sorry, I was busy praying...but I am back now. Yes, that is correct...As many as receive him, to them he gives the power to become the sons of God, to those who BELIEVE in his name....please, no additions nor subtractions.
So Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus was just idle chatter? Specifically where Jesus stated that a person will not see the kingdom of God unless they've been born again of the water and the spirit? That would demand some kind of action from an individual?
It's not as though one could sit still and suddenly, viola, I'm borned again!
If absolutely no action is required, why Paul's statement that faith without works is dead, being alone.
So Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus was just idle chatter? Specifically where Jesus stated that a person will not see the kingdom of God unless they've been born again of the water and the spirit? ...
Jesus did not say a person had to be born again of the water and the spirit.
He answered Nicodemus' question about how a person can be born when he is old or already born and showed him the difference between the first birth (born of water referencing the water or amniotic fluid that accompanies that first birth) and the second birth or rebirth which is accomplished by the Holy Spirit. He then goes on (in verses 10-21) and explains that the new birth happens when one believes in Jesus. In verse 14 He uses the illustration of how the sinning Israelites were healed by looking upon the serpent on the pole to show how folks are healed/saved/born again in this NT or Kingdom age by looking by faith upon Jesus on the cross. In verse 11 He says that He and others know people and have seen people who have been born again.
Jesus did not say a person had to be born again of the water and the spirit.
He answered Nicodemus' question about how a person can be born when he is old or already born and showed him the difference between the first birth (born of water referencing the water or amniotic fluid that accompanies that first birth) and the second birth or rebirth which is accomplished by the Holy Spirit. He then goes on (in verses 10-21) and explains that the new birth happens when one believes in Jesus. In verse 14 He uses the illustration of how the sinning Israelites were healed by looking upon the serpent on the pole to show how folks are healed/saved/born again in this NT or Kingdom age by looking by faith upon Jesus on the cross. In verse 11 He says that He and others know people and have seen people who have been born again.
Right, that's what I meant. Jesus said a person must be born again ... then after that He said they must be born of the water and the spirit.
Jesus did not say a person had to be born again of the water and the spirit.
He answered Nicodemus' question about how a person can be born when he is old or already born and showed him the difference between the first birth (born of water referencing the water or amniotic fluid that accompanies that first birth) and the second birth or rebirth which is accomplished by the Holy Spirit. He then goes on (in verses 10-21) and explains that the new birth happens when one believes in Jesus. In verse 14 He uses the illustration of how the sinning Israelites were healed by looking upon the serpent on the pole to show how folks are healed/saved/born again in this NT or Kingdom age by looking by faith upon Jesus on the cross. In verse 11 He says that He and others know people and have seen people who have been born again.
Amazing, isn't it, how easy it is to slightly misquote something and in so doing, completely change the theology. I heard Acts 2:37 quoted all my life as, "Men and brethren, what must we do to be saved?" Uh oh.....it's not there.
Sorry, I was busy praying...but I am back now. Yes, that is correct...As many as receive him, to them he gives the power to become the sons of God, to those who BELIEVE in his name....please, no additions nor subtractions.
Those who receive him are the same as those who believe...these receivers/believers are the ones he has given ability or power to BECOME the sons of God. IOW, they don't become the sons of God when they believe. You've got your timing wrong, imho.
Welcome, Witty!
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Those who receive him are the same as those who believe...these receivers/believers are the ones he has given ability or power to BECOME the sons of God. IOW, they don't become the sons of God when they believe. You've got your timing wrong, imho.
Welcome, Witty!
This is the typical, "Those who call upon the name of the Lord SHALL be saved", moments when works-folks show up and say, "The word 'Shall' is a prediction."
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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